From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 11 18:20:06 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1541 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Feb 1999 18:20:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 1281 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 18:20:00 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 18:20:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990211181736.8225.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web4; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:17:36 PST Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:17:36 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: (DARKSTEP) intro To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk What's up everyone, (if there is anyone here yet that is): my name is randy shepherd aka [rando] I am 22 years old, just graduated from Boston University last year, and work for Keane Corp. (a computer consulting firm). I have lived in Boston all my life. I have been listening to jungle for a bunch of years now and have been playing it for 4 years. I have just this week returned from a booking in Shanghai, China. (First US drum and bass DJ in China, woohoo!) If you would like to hear a set, check out www.transcasts.com (fucked up monitor during first mix though) or watch for an upcoming set on a another boston based web-broadcast site, I will let you guys know what is up with the URL as soon as it is confirmed. Although Skinner and I disagree on the names of the genres discussed on this list, I play what is referred to here as tek and dark step. I love to dig up obscure German labels so if anyone has a secret labels they would like to share with me please let me know! i.e. anything other than Gyration, Precision, Position Chrome, Santorin, PathFinder, Bamboo, Moplayaz...... Well that's about it... thanks and talk to ya soon! rando _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 11 19:01:17 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 479 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Feb 1999 19:01:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 471 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 19:01:14 -0000 Received: from gandolf.dlab.com (HELO gandalf.dlab.com) (204.251.237.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 19:01:14 -0000 Received: from 204 ([208.12.254.142]) by gandalf.dlab.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 138 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:56:59 -0600 Message-ID: <36C32801.326@dlab.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:57:05 -0600 From: "Jason Schroeder" Organization: Twelve Electronic Arts X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkstep@hyperreal.org Subject: (DARKSTEP) well. shucks. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Didn't think of it the first time. :) I've a newbie. I've been spinning for only 2 and a half years. However, I've been blessed because really I've just being doing it by ear. After a year on the ropes and stuff (I threw a lot of house parties a few years ago) I started doing a weekly jungle night in Kansas City called Spacebass with Ugly Bill. It was moderately successful. All I have to say is, the people that like d'n'b here are RARE. We've got a core group of say, 20 hardcore jungalists here. *shrug* We've got a clean slate to have fun with. Personally, I don't look at labels or names right away. I buy the stuff that makes me want to dance. I love dancing. Dancing is the reason why I'm in this whole scene. Sweating it out in front of the speakers for even just an HOUR is more rehabilitating than a year spent at some place like Club Med (ok maybe not but you get the idea). I was never infested with the metalheadz bug - my I have a rekkid from almost all the labels I've ever seen. Although I tend to listen to all the white labels first, all the infiltration second, and then everything else after that... My favorite rekkid right now is "Fusion (Swang that Body)" By DJ L.A.C.E. on Alien Verb rekkids. Close second: always and forever, "Funktion" by Ed Rush & Optical. _jason twelve MO'BASS http://welcome.to/mobass.com TEA http://www.dlab.com/jasons From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 11 19:33:54 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1130 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Feb 1999 19:33:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 1119 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 19:33:50 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (root@209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 19:33:50 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (skinner@confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19284 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: (DARKSTEP) Well O.K. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ok since it is a new list and a few other people have gone about introducing them selves, I will do the same myself.. Those of you who dont know me, I have been a prodcuer and a DJ of the music form gabber (hardcore techno) for 7 years now. About 2-3 Years ago (i was a major anti-junglist at the time) I was introduced to darkstep and techstep. I fell in love evil nasty breaks and dark synth lines, everything jungle lacked before hand (or at least what I was exposed to). And a grew a major fond apprecation for it. I started over the last few years migrating my intersted from gabber/techno/d n b, to just gabber and d n b since I spend tons of $ on records and time on making sctuff. So why the list? Well there is really no open forum on the music topic and Since I had the ability and resorces to start the list I felt it cool to do so. How ever a few "darksteppers" fell i should of done this becuse they are so eletie.IF you can trasnlate my bad typing you can see this asshole at http://www.gnu-coders.org/pr0zac.html and see the converstation I had with someone who was so against the list that I opend up for the world of you darskteppers :) S K I N N E R Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator DarkStep List Administrator Email: skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Web: http://www.skinner.org http://www.blackmonolith.com http://www.gabberlist.org http://www.darkstep.org From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 11 19:39:32 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3510 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Feb 1999 19:39:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 3487 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 19:39:29 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 19:39:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990211193333.19183.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by attach1; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:33:33 PST Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: (DARKSTEP) hey skin, that URL doesn't work To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk that URL doesn't work _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 11 19:45:17 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8133 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Feb 1999 19:45:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 8125 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 19:45:15 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (root@209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 19:45:15 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (skinner@confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19449; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:49:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:49:55 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: rando cc: darkstep@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) hey skin, that URL doesn't work In-Reply-To: <19990211193333.19183.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, rando wrote: :)that URL doesn't work :) http://www.gnu-coders.org/~skinner/pr0zac.html S K I N N E R Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator DarkStep List Administrator Email: skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Web: http://www.skinner.org http://www.blackmonolith.com http://www.gabberlist.org http://www.darkstep.org From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 11 20:01:45 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21890 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Feb 1999 20:01:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 21874 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 20:01:43 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 20:01:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19990211194637.21666.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:46:37 PST Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:46:37 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: (DARKSTEP) [15:30] To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey that guy you were talking with at http://www.gnu-coders.org/~skinner/pr0zac.html is obviously about 15 years old. "this is my scene and I was here first...blahblahblah..." I'll bet he has no juice...................... I am sure if you quizzed on labels and producers he would freak and change the subject. hehe, people who use computers too much tend to become irrational. I bet he loves IRC more than life itself. you got his ICQ number? hehehehehehe!!! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 11 23:34:50 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22636 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Feb 1999 23:34:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 22518 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 23:34:46 -0000 Received: from mailserv.rockymtn.net (HELO mg2.rockymtn.net) (166.93.205.12) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 23:34:46 -0000 Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg2.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11615 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:34:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [166.93.57.203] (166-93-69-94.rmi.net [166.93.69.94]) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07190 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:34:36 -0700 (MST) X-Sender: element@rmi.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:52:46 -0700 To: darkstep@hyperreal.org From: ed colmar Subject: (DARKSTEP) entering subject now Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, what's up Wally? I am known as element (when I spin) and immerisveArts (when I play live). I also provide some other /rave industry/ services like lighting, sound, and event planning. Check out the new iA4 website for more info http://www.immersivearts.org I've been making electronic music for 9 years, starting with expirimental (of course) and industrial in the 80s. This naturally evolved into hardcore, then on to hardtrance, and hard acid. I love the harder varieties of D&B, and want to refine my skills at creating new implementations of the dark/tek step feel. I have been Djing for 5+ years, and now spin mostly on pioneer cdj series cd turntables, though I do have some records (30 or so). I own a CD burner and I frequently dice up other artists work and burn it to disc. The advantage of playing my own material was also a major factor that influenced the decision to migrate to CD. I subbed to the list to mostly discuss techniques and technologies used in the creation of dark/tek step. I am very interested in what analog synths are being used, and more specifically, HOW those synths are being used... I also look forward to music reviews by people with taste for quality. Massive respect to the hardcore underground -e- .. immersiveArts ... .. surgical trance ... .. lightscape design ... From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 11 23:42:15 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27503 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Feb 1999 23:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 27491 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 23:42:13 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 23:42:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990211233618.5890.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [192.138.213.195] by attach1; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:36:18 PST Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:36:18 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) entering subject now To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey ed, that URL is not working. ps I'd like to hear your music, you got MP3's??? maybe a FTP site? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 11 23:51:48 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3333 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Feb 1999 23:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 3306 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 23:51:44 -0000 Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.9) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 23:51:44 -0000 Received: from TUFFDC@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WEKOa20087 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:48:43 -0500 (EST) From: TUFFDC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:48:43 EST To: darkstep@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (DARKSTEP) real audio live feed in progress from now (6:30 est til 9:00 est) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk just go to www.mediabureau.com and plug into the INJECTION this week the guests on injection are SLANT & MC MECHA of 2Tuff alongside the residents KARL K, MC DUB2 & JAESUN KENNEDY injection is every other thursday from 6pm til 9pm and the next show on feb. 25th will feature the mighty TRACE!! so prepare yourselves! and get your INJECTION now! respect! 2Tuff Andy www.2tuff.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 12 01:08:05 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2706 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Feb 1999 01:08:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 2685 invoked from network); 12 Feb 1999 01:08:01 -0000 Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Feb 1999 01:08:01 -0000 Received: from mindspring.com (user-37ka97r.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.36.251]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16219 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:07:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C37DFA.85CBF337@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:03:54 -0500 From: CrAzYjOn Organization: Penguinz Rule X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkstep Subject: (DARKSTEP) intro and greets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk just thought I'd drop a quick intro--- I write experimental ambient/hard tek, but recently fallen in love with some of the tekkier DnB, and some of the harder stuff...I like some of the stuff I've heard on Gyration (germany?) and Busy Town (Hand over Fist) .....and Mundo's tracks. I tend to like the agressive and intelligent stuff...I'd like to work on some DnB tracks, if there is any one in the DC area who's interested drop me a line. Peace CrAzYjOn From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 12 02:39:06 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29456 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Feb 1999 02:39:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 29448 invoked from network); 12 Feb 1999 02:39:04 -0000 Received: from new93123184.columbus.rr.com (HELO project.lotek.org) (omot@24.93.123.184) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Feb 1999 02:39:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (omot@localhost) by project.lotek.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10409 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:43:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:43:08 -0500 (EST) From: omot To: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) Well O.K. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Introduction: hello list, i am omot of lotek (http://www.lotek.org). i spin drum'n'bass of the darkstep/techstep sort, i also throw jungle such as columbus's all jungle/dnb event klepton and sometimes even all gabber/jungle parties w/ another local crew called ele_mental (www.ele-mental.org). our promotional crew is drone technologies (http://drone.lotek.org) and we should be having klepton 2 sometime around or hopefully on may 30th, which will again be all drum'n'bass but geared more towards darkstep of course. i have dabbled w/ production as well, some stuff i have throw together can be found at http://www.mp3.com/cyclidine. if anybody is in or near the columbus, ohio area let me know... omot@lotek.org omot.lotek.org From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 12 16:35:32 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7877 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Feb 1999 16:35:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 7868 invoked from network); 12 Feb 1999 16:35:30 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (root@209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Feb 1999 16:35:30 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (skinner@confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04768; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:40:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: ed colmar cc: darkstep@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) entering subject now In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, ed colmar wrote: :) I subbed to the list to mostly discuss techniques and technologies :)used in the creation of dark/tek step. I am very interested in what analog :)synths are being used, and more specifically, HOW those synths are being :)used... I also look forward to music reviews by people with taste for :)quality. :) :) Massive respect to the hardcore underground I make all my music with Tupperware and pots and pans and some acapella sounds from my mouth ;-p. Actualy for the d n b music that is born in my studio , my main wepons of trade are 1. 500+ effects and filters for my samples of course :) stock sounds are boring to me most of the time. As far as synths go. MKS-50 by roland (eqv of a 2 juno-106's in a box) Ive used this from gabber to darkstep, this synth is my fav wepon dark evil analog Resonant synth lines. I starte with 2 juno's but as space became a issue in my house i moved to the rack version (of course i used the pg300 becuse knobs and sliders make sound modification so easy" I also use a onberhim1000 for really nasty raw sounds (many times which are sampled then filterd some more) Another toy I like that some people dont is my Super Bass Station from Novation, I get some killer basslines from that girl, Ive had all 3 bassstations and this one with the extra sub occliator makes for some great bass. Another toy I like to used to add a very Technical sound to my music is my tx81z becuse of the FM synth im able to create some really metalic sounds that are very dynamic :)> S K I N N E R Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator DarkStep List Administrator Email: skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Web: http://www.skinner.org http://www.blackmonolith.com http://www.gabberlist.org http://www.darkstep.org From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 12 16:49:16 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16864 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Feb 1999 16:49:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 16857 invoked from network); 12 Feb 1999 16:49:13 -0000 Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (207.69.200.57) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Feb 1999 16:49:13 -0000 Received: from mindspring.com (user-38lcis7.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.135]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26691 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:49:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C45A81.3AD28C6F@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:44:49 -0500 From: CrAzYjOn Organization: Penguinz Rule X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkstep Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) entering subject now References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I use my K5000 for all my cold etherial sounds spacey pads, and trippy shit, my virus for basses, synth lines, and weird fx, and my esi-32 for all my samples. I record all my samples to my PC, where I like to mangle them, then run them through FX or the virus (vocoder especially), and then resample them. CrAzYjOn S K I N N E R wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, ed colmar wrote: > > :) I subbed to the list to mostly discuss techniques and technologies > :)used in the creation of dark/tek step. I am very interested in what analog > :)synths are being used, and more specifically, HOW those synths are being > :)used... I also look forward to music reviews by people with taste for > :)quality. > :) > :) Massive respect to the hardcore underground > > I make all my music with Tupperware and pots and pans and some acapella sounds > from my mouth ;-p. > > Actualy for the d n b music that is born in my studio , my main wepons of trade > are 1. 500+ effects and filters for my samples of course :) stock sounds are > boring to me most of the time. As far as synths go. MKS-50 by roland (eqv of a > 2 juno-106's in a box) Ive used this from gabber to darkstep, this synth is my > fav wepon dark evil analog Resonant synth lines. I starte with 2 juno's but as > space became a issue in my house i moved to the rack version (of course i used > the pg300 becuse knobs and sliders make sound modification so easy" I also use a > onberhim1000 for really nasty raw sounds (many times which are sampled then > filterd some more) Another toy I like that some people dont is my Super Bass > Station from Novation, I get some killer basslines from that girl, Ive had all 3 > bassstations and this one with the extra sub occliator makes for some great > bass. Another toy I like to used to add a very Technical sound to my music is my > tx81z becuse of the FM synth im able to create some really metalic sounds that > are very dynamic :)> > > S K I N N E R > > Black Monolith Records > Gabber List Administrator > DarkStep List Administrator > > Email: > skinner{at}skinner[dot]org > > Web: > http://www.skinner.org > http://www.blackmonolith.com > http://www.gabberlist.org > http://www.darkstep.org From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 12 17:22:12 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5895 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Feb 1999 17:22:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 5887 invoked from network); 12 Feb 1999 17:22:09 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Feb 1999 17:22:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990212171613.1531.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by attach1; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:16:13 PST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:16:13 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: (DARKSTEP) hey skin To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I didn't know you knew Ian TImestretch. I am pretty tight some of the advance crew. should I send him your regards? you should check out the website if you haven't already..... http://jungle.ffwd.com/advance/frames.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 13 05:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15844 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Feb 1999 05:24:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15837 invoked from network); 13 Feb 1999 05:24:58 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Feb 1999 05:24:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19990213050950.5298.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [208.21.170.4] by web1; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:09:50 PST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:09:50 -0800 (PST) From: "ÐåñÌë£" "k·" "±åÝ£ð®" Reply-To: tech137@rocketmail.com Subject: (DARKSTEP) new darkstep tune..need feedback. To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I've been working on this hardstep track..and need some feedback ... http://www.txraves.org/~tech137/phantomtraxx.mp3 === Daniel K. Taylor Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad Dance Circle Annihilation Coalition When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend. http://www.txraves.org/~tech137/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 13 18:42:17 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22553 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Feb 1999 18:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 22542 invoked from network); 13 Feb 1999 18:42:15 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (root@209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Feb 1999 18:42:15 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (skinner@confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24559 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:46:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:46:48 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: (DARKSTEP) Wowowo :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Like way cool. Not 2 weeks and we have over 65 members on this list. And 99% of the posts have been something of a good nature. :). Im glad a good community of music lovers are our there. Makes me def consider putting more effort into devloping more things for this list and any other projects that come around. ******************************************************************** Robert Skinner skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator Things To Come Records Darkstep List Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------- Web Stuff: Skinner's Personal Ego http://www.skinner.org Black Monolith Records http://www.blackmonolith.com Gabber List http://www.gabberlist.org Darkstep List http://www.darkstep.org ******************************************************************** From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 09:42:49 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5420 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Feb 1999 09:42:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 5413 invoked from network); 15 Feb 1999 09:42:47 -0000 Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (207.194.197.99) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Feb 1999 09:42:47 -0000 Received: from intouch.bc.ca (unverified [207.194.197.131]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:41:53 -0800 Message-ID: <36C7EB93.E16C3654@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:40:35 -0800 From: optic mystic Reply-To: opticmystic@techno.ca Organization: Siliconundrum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darkstep list Subject: (DARKSTEP) fwd: Hearing Damage and DJs References: <36C7EB1D.1B8BEE1C@intouch.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk http://www.demouniverse.com/osu/papers/hearing.htm -- colin http://come.to/beatgrinder From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 19:52:09 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28190 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Feb 1999 19:52:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 28136 invoked from network); 15 Feb 1999 19:52:03 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (root@209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Feb 1999 19:52:03 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (skinner@confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00740 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:57:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: (DARKSTEP) Graphics People. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I need someones help. Who ever is great with graphics and wants to design some cool buttons and logo's for the DARKSTEP mailing list's page that will be hosted on darkstep.org pleas email me. I can do graphics, but im a hacker so it would take me hours upon hours to make something, id rather not heh. So if anyone is willing to wing some stuff up and show me, that would be killer. ******************************************************************** Robert Skinner skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator Things To Come Records Darkstep List Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------- Web Stuff: Skinner's Personal Ego http://www.skinner.org Black Monolith Records http://www.blackmonolith.com Gabber List http://www.gabberlist.org Darkstep List http://www.darkstep.org ******************************************************************** From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 21:04:39 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8129 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Feb 1999 21:04:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 8100 invoked from network); 15 Feb 1999 21:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bbs.clubtek.com) (206.12.82.232) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Feb 1999 21:04:26 -0000 Received: from MHS by bbs.clubtek.com with MHS id ANAKABCO ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:10:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:10:00 -0800 From: holt@clubtek.com Message-ID: Subject: (DARKSTEP) VVM and Farmers manual To: darkstep@hyperreal.org Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk That stuff, in my opinion is nothing like "DHR style". In most "DHR" cases i would say it is a lot more experimental. If your starting to dig diced noise breaks you should hear all of the 12"s on Ambush records and New Skin. Praxis 24 and 27 are sure nice along a similar line too! Other experimental d+b/hardcore pleasures for me at the moment are Amputate(#? by DJ ace), Hangars Liquide 03 (not d+b but hardcore fucked!). Fractal 01, and Twisted Science's "sharpest tool in the box" Lp on Lo rec. Is it my fault I like the noise? -Seedy GA>Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:01:40 +0000 GA>From: p.smith@dartington.ac.uk (Philip Smith) GA>Not QUITE gabber, but I wondered if anyone had heard V/VM from Manchester GA>UK or Farmers Manual (from NYC I think)-weirdy exp. drum & bass. Meant to GA>be DHR style twistedness. Any opinions welcomed. to: INT:gabber@hyperreal.org cc: INT:darkstep@hyperreal.org From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 05:10:48 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12726 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Feb 1999 05:10:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 12443 invoked from network); 16 Feb 1999 05:10:36 -0000 Received: from ns3.lisco.com (HELO franklin.lisco.net) (root@206.26.90.190) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Feb 1999 05:10:36 -0000 Received: from [206.26.90.91] (fairfield-21.lisco.com [206.26.90.91]) by franklin.lisco.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA15511; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:10:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <335421c5.36c898eb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:21:34 -0500 To: gabber@hyperreal.org, darkstep@hyperreal.org From: "shawn o'sullivan" Subject: (DARKSTEP) Re: (GABBER) VVM and Farmers manual Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ><< Other experimental d+b/hardcore pleasures for me at the moment are > Amputate(#? by DJ ace), >> > >that would be amputate#3, Percussive Quantology. if you enjoyed that record >get #2 which is by Photc Driver. as for other labels check out Audio photic driver also has an excellent release on audio illusion.. one of my favs in the trashy breakbeat genre is fist 15 by fraughman - crushing breaks and grimy noise with a few speedcore bits here and there. fraughman only has tape releases aside from this one, right? can't forget six shooter stuff either, but that's a little more avant garde and dark as opposed to trashy. i've never heard of farmers manual...anyone got any info/discogs/reviews? shawn o'sullivan From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 18:33:10 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16044 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Feb 1999 18:33:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 15843 invoked from network); 16 Feb 1999 18:32:54 -0000 Received: from gatekeeper.ea.com (HELO ea.com) (159.153.88.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Feb 1999 18:32:54 -0000 Received: from eahq-bh2.ea.com (eahq-bh2.ea.com [10.14.204.33]) by ea.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09046 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by EAHQ-BH2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1SL2KWAZ>; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:31:59 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Churchill, Bryce" To: darkstep@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (DARKSTEP) VVM and Farmers manual Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:32:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk shawn o'sullivan wrote: :i've never heard of farmers manual...anyone got any :info/discogs/reviews? Farmer's Manual have released several albums through MEGO. There's Real Audio clips at their mail-order site: http://www.mdos.at/ VVM headquarters: http://www.sonic.net/~brap/vvm/ I wouldn't categorize these artists as gabber or darkstep, but very much on the abrasively experimental tip ;> over, out /... Bryce. From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 18:49:34 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29444 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Feb 1999 18:49:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 29204 invoked from network); 16 Feb 1999 18:49:02 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Feb 1999 18:49:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990216184640.16149.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web4; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:46:40 PST Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: (DARKSTEP) @ phoenixlanding To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk H E L L O any of you 65 that are in the Boston area and would like to hear one of their fellow list members work.... come to elements at the phoenix landing on mass. ave in cambridge this thursday night. I will be playing as well as resident BillCrook who is a sight to see. thank you randy _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 19:31:26 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9218 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Feb 1999 19:31:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 9202 invoked from network); 16 Feb 1999 19:31:21 -0000 Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.92) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Feb 1999 19:31:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19990216193149.10027.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [165.117.54.182] by send103.yahoomail.com; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:31:49 PST Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:31:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Lynch Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) @ phoenixlanding To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Let me reiterate that this is a great night...cooler than any @^%#$!!'in' place on Lansdown St. Question: who spun last week? I have to give respect for the tight mixing and great selections! I'll be there... peace timm ---rando wrote: > > H E L L O > > any of you 65 that are in the Boston area and would like to hear > one of their fellow list members work.... > come to elements at the phoenix landing on mass. ave in cambridge > this thursday night. > I will be playing as well as resident BillCrook who > is a sight to see. > thank you > randy > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 19:38:52 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12085 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Feb 1999 19:38:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 12077 invoked from network); 16 Feb 1999 19:38:51 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Feb 1999 19:38:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990216193630.25652.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web4; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:36:30 PST Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:36:30 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) @ phoenixlanding To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Christian Bruna and Beau, (50/50, Camoflage, NYC) very good deejays and good guys too... You are right this night is great, very intimate, very good sound, very good vibe and intense quality control. I look forward to playing. see you there! == randy j shepherd aka rando <[bostonm a s s .| v e]> rando@earthalliance.com rand-e@rocketmail.com *checkout the ENDLESS webpage: (underconstruction) http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Flats/2463/index1.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 19:40:36 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12759 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Feb 1999 19:40:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 12751 invoked from network); 16 Feb 1999 19:40:34 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Feb 1999 19:40:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990216192522.7179.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:25:22 PST Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:25:22 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: (DARKSTEP) p.s. To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk landsdown street can suck my dick, if you are from boston then you will understand. DOWN WITH THE LYONS BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 20:16:37 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9636 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Feb 1999 20:16:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 9619 invoked from network); 16 Feb 1999 20:16:34 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Feb 1999 20:16:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990216200122.14329.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:01:22 PST Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:01:22 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: (DARKSTEP) Advance Record Release (Boston) in NYC! To: keriinger@juno.com, posid@sprintmail.com, darkstep@hyperreal.org, DJSEEN1@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > > > >Saturday, March 6th, 1999--- CONTRAST > > > >An evening of drum and bass to celebrate the release of Advance 003- > >Niqodemus Jones' "Road Rage" and G. White's "Zero". Join Advance > >Recordings' own: > > > >DJ Timestretch > >Niqodemus Jones > >G. White > >P. Hinchey > >MC Rumble > > > >along with > > > >DJ Wisc (Forte Recordings Chicago) in his NYC debut > >Christian Bruna and Beau (50/50 Productions) > > > >at BAKTUN... 418 West 14th Street, NY NY... > > > >The party will go from 10pm to 4am. 21+ with ID, full bar. > > > == randy j shepherd aka rando <[bostonm a s s .| v e]> rando@earthalliance.com rand-e@rocketmail.com *checkout the ENDLESS webpage: (my emo/post-punk band) members.tripod.com/~endlesspage (under-construction) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 05:30:42 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28238 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 05:30:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 28227 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 05:30:39 -0000 Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (207.194.197.99) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 05:30:39 -0000 Received: from intouch.bc.ca (unverified [207.194.197.171]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:29:48 -0800 Message-ID: <36CA5382.7E503BAF@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:28:34 -0800 From: optic mystic Reply-To: opticmystic@techno.ca Organization: Siliconundrum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rando CC: darkstep@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) p.s. References: <19990216192522.7179.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk rando wrote: > landsdown street can suck my dick, if you are from boston then > you will understand. DOWN WITH THE LYONS BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yo macho props yo...this isn't the dorkstep list -- colin http://come.to/beatgrinder From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 12:18:06 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17511 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 12:18:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 17488 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 12:18:01 -0000 Received: from aryth.wpmedia.com (root@208.220.73.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 12:18:01 -0000 Received: from 313 (PC97-72.oru.se [130.243.97.72]) by aryth.wpmedia.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA19519; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:17:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199902171217.HAA19519@aryth.wpmedia.com> X-Sender: p@wpmedia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:18:11 +0100 To: p@wpmedia.com From: "Peter T. Bense" Subject: (DARKSTEP) Dillion & Dickins / Jimi Tenor / Cari Lekebusch interview(s)... Wanted to run this by you people again... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know that some of you saw this post a few weeks ago, but now its been confirmed and I wanted to give a larger group of people the chance to respond. This Thursday I am interviewing Dillion + Dickins of 99 North (www.higherstate.co.uk) and wanted to "open the forum" to any of you who might have questions for this pair of producers. - AND - This Friday I am interviewing Jimi Tenor and am taking "audience questions" in advance. Those of you who have already replied to this message before, I have saved your replies and am using them to construct the notes for my interview. ALSO: It looks like I may have the chance to interview Cari Lekebusch. What questions would you ask Sweden's "Mr. Techno" if you could? Thanks in advance for your help/support. ~> Textures 95.3 - Sweden - textures@techno.org - <~ ~> ===== http:/remus.oru.se/racam/textures ===== <~ ~> -----------------ICQ: 3157482------------------<~ ~> "There's a strong relationship between music and <~ ~> art. It's not so much music or an art exactly, <~ ~> it's lifestyle." -Jeff Mills <~ From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 14:33:17 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6567 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 14:33:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 6554 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 14:33:12 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 14:33:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990217143051.2558.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web4; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:30:51 PST Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) p.s. To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk TO opticmystic@techno.ca: Don't be an asshole and cop some superior intellect attitude with me. I have a distinct feeling that your response is spurred by a macho attitude. You should not open your mouth if you don't know what is being spoken about. The Lyons Group is the mafioso club corporation in Boston, They own most of the clubs and since they do not care about music in the slightest, they gear all club experience to the large international student population here, who all have alot of money to burn. (and I say this because many attend Boston University, a $30,000 a year university without financial aid, of which international students are not eligible) Landsdown street is the strip where many of there clubs are. The Lyons group is exactly why Boston locals have a difficulty acheiving longevity with any club night. And although the Phoenix and the house party circuit makes up for this many times... It still sucks for all of the talented performers and artists looking for venues. So there. No macho bullshit, what the fuck is dorkstep anyway? thank you randy ps please let me know what I said wrong now _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 15:45:13 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15091 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 15:45:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 15080 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 15:45:08 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 15:45:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19990217153911.1330.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by attach1; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:39:11 PST Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:39:11 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: (DARKSTEP) top tens of 1999 To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk If you feel like it.... post your top ten of 99 thus far. It will be interesting to see peoples varying tastes. 8-) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 16:33:43 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3802 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 16:33:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 3767 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 16:33:30 -0000 Received: from aryth.wpmedia.com (root@208.220.73.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 16:33:30 -0000 Received: from 313 (PC97-72.oru.se [130.243.97.72]) by aryth.wpmedia.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA27511; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:31:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199902171631.LAA27511@aryth.wpmedia.com> X-Sender: p@wpmedia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:31:33 +0100 To: p@wpmedia.com From: "Peter T. Bense" Subject: (DARKSTEP) Mr. Terrence Parker - lightning strikes twice? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Who says lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place? I've got a confirmed interview with Terrence Parker (K7 / Chisel / Intangible Records).... I'm posting this to the lists to solicit for questions. Anyone have any ideas or input or things they'd like me to ask Mr. Parker about? -peter ~> Textures 95.3 - Sweden - textures@techno.org - <~ ~> ===== http:/remus.oru.se/racam/textures ===== <~ ~> -----------------ICQ: 3157482------------------<~ ~> "There's a strong relationship between music and <~ ~> art. It's not so much music or an art exactly, <~ ~> it's lifestyle." -Jeff Mills <~ From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 16:53:04 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20602 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 16:53:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 20579 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 16:53:00 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 16:53:00 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA22671; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:58:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:58:12 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: rando cc: darkstep@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) p.s. In-Reply-To: <19990217143051.2558.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, rando wrote: :)No macho bullshit, what the fuck is dorkstep anyway? :) :)thank you :)randy Isn't dorkstep what Roni Size makes? :) ******************************************************************** Robert Skinner skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator Things To Come Records Darkstep List Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------- Web Stuff: Skinner's Personal Ego http://www.skinner.org Black Monolith Records http://www.blackmonolith.com Gabber List http://www.gabberlist.org Darkstep List http://www.darkstep.org ******************************************************************** From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 19:31:27 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9753 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 19:30:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9548 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 19:30:34 -0000 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.66) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 19:30:34 -0000 Received: from DRC372@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QPFTa01433 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:29:46 -0500 (EST) From: DRC372@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:29:46 EST To: darkstep@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) top tens of 1999 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 99-02-17 10:45:14 EST, you write: << If you feel like it.... post your top ten of 99 thus far. It will be interesting to see peoples varying tastes. 8-) >> kaotic chemistry--drumtrip (dom&roland rmx)--moving shadow decorum--contrax--liftin spirits usual suspects--spawn--renegade hardware ed rush/optical--dozer(wormhole album)--virus usual suspects--killa bees--renegade hardware technical itch--trysianate--moving shadow technical itch--secret methods 2--tech itch biostacis--flash point--audio couture lemon d--static--test (5) ram trilogy3--terminal--ram From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 19:58:21 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 717 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 19:58:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 709 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 19:58:18 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 19:58:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990217194306.15247.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:43:06 PST Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) top tens of 1999 To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk 1 TRISYINATE * TECH ITCH * MOVING SHADOW (PROMO) 2 FLASH POINT * BIOSTASIS * AUDIO COUTURE (PROMO) 3 HOMICIDE * DOM+ROLAND * MOVING SHADOW (PROMO) 4 DRUMTRIPRMX * DOM+ROLAND * AUDIO COUTURE (PROMO) 5 ENEMIZ * L.DOUBLE * LABELLO BLANCO 6 MIND WEAVER * SOURCE DIRECT * SCIENCE (PROMO) 7 ROAD RAGE * NIQ JONES * ADVANCE RECORDINGS (TESTPRESS) 8 CONTORTION * USUAL SUSPECTS * RENEGADE HARDWARE (PROMO) 9 WARHEAD RMX * ANDY C * V (PROMO) 10 RESONANCE * TYRELL * GYRATION _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 21:05:32 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15096 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 21:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 14922 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 21:05:27 -0000 Received: from copland.udel.edu (128.175.13.92) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 21:05:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (kenya@localhost) by copland.udel.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28825; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:03:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:03:29 -0500 (EST) From: tried by 12 To: rando cc: darkstep@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) p.s. In-Reply-To: <19990217143051.2558.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yes yes i agree. i dont live there but i've nee up to boston a lot this winter and euro is definately the word or upscale or any of those other words. highclass big money clueless shit is usually whats going down in boston. no disrespect to the others of course ;p > > Don't be an asshole and cop some superior intellect attitude with me. > I have a distinct feeling that your response is spurred by a macho > attitude. You should not open your mouth if you don't know what is > being spoken about. > > The Lyons Group is the mafioso club corporation in Boston, They own > most of the clubs and since they do not care about music in the > slightest, they gear all club experience to the large international > student population here, who all have alot of money to burn. (and I > say this because many attend Boston University, a $30,000 a year > university > without financial aid, of which international students are not eligible) > Landsdown street is the strip where many of there clubs are. > > The Lyons group is exactly why Boston locals have a difficulty > acheiving longevity with any club night. And although the Phoenix and > the house party circuit makes up for this many times... > It still sucks for all of the talented performers and artists > looking for venues. > > So there. > > No macho bullshit, what the fuck is dorkstep anyway? > > thank you > randy > > ps please let me know what I said wrong now > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > either you run with us or you run into us.......................... ******************************************************************* _________________________ _____ _________ * ___ |_ ____/_ /___(_)__ _______ __ /___________ / * __ /| | / _ __/_ /__ | / / __ `/ __/ _ \ __ / * _ ___ / /___ / /_ _ / __ |/ // /_/ // /_ / __/ /_/ / * /_/ |_\____/ \__/ /_/ _____/ \__,_/ \__/ \___/\__,_/ magazine. * * ******************************************************************* "..I use my mind's eye and teach my soul to fly high............" * ******************************************************************* From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 21:09:49 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16910 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 21:09:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 16903 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 21:09:46 -0000 Received: from copland.udel.edu (128.175.13.92) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 21:09:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (kenya@localhost) by copland.udel.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11162; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:09:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:09:43 -0500 (EST) From: tried by 12 To: DRC372@aol.com cc: darkstep@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) top tens of 1999 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk concerning new music, everyone should watch for dieselboys track on tech itch, it is definately a runnin tune. kenya > > << If you feel like it.... > post your top ten of 99 thus far. It will be interesting to see > peoples varying tastes. 8-) >> > > kaotic chemistry--drumtrip (dom&roland rmx)--moving shadow > decorum--contrax--liftin spirits > usual suspects--spawn--renegade hardware > ed rush/optical--dozer(wormhole album)--virus > usual suspects--killa bees--renegade hardware > technical itch--trysianate--moving shadow > technical itch--secret methods 2--tech itch > biostacis--flash point--audio couture > lemon d--static--test (5) > ram trilogy3--terminal--ram > either you run with us or you run into us.......................... ******************************************************************* _________________________ _____ _________ * ___ |_ ____/_ /___(_)__ _______ __ /___________ / * __ /| | / _ __/_ /__ | / / __ `/ __/ _ \ __ / * _ ___ / /___ / /_ _ / __ |/ // /_/ // /_ / __/ /_/ / * /_/ |_\____/ \__/ /_/ _____/ \__,_/ \__/ \___/\__,_/ magazine. * * ******************************************************************* "..I use my mind's eye and teach my soul to fly high............" * ******************************************************************* From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 21:15:03 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24385 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Feb 1999 21:15:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 24127 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1999 21:14:49 -0000 Received: from aryth.wpmedia.com (root@208.220.73.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 1999 21:14:49 -0000 Received: from 313 (PC97-72.oru.se [130.243.97.72]) by aryth.wpmedia.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA05025; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:13:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199902172113.QAA05025@aryth.wpmedia.com> X-Sender: p@wpmedia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:12:56 +0100 To: p@wpmedia.com From: "Peter T. Bense" Subject: (DARKSTEP) Seeking Contact Information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The subject line sez it all.... Good Looking / Looking Good (LTJs label) Seba + Lo-TEK (Both are Swedish - just having trouble getting ahold of them) -peter ~> Textures 95.3 - Sweden - textures@techno.org - <~ ~> ===== http:/remus.oru.se/racam/textures ===== <~ ~> -----------------ICQ: 3157482------------------<~ ~> "There's a strong relationship between music and <~ ~> art. It's not so much music or an art exactly, <~ ~> it's lifestyle." -Jeff Mills <~ From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 18 02:09:12 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24491 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Feb 1999 02:09:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 24474 invoked from network); 18 Feb 1999 02:09:10 -0000 Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.71) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Feb 1999 02:09:10 -0000 Received: from Encore808@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DNZEa26290 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:06:17 +1900 (EST) From: Encore808@aol.com Message-ID: <5d809c14.36cb7599@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:06:17 EST To: darkstep@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (DARKSTEP) SPIRIT TOUR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey guys!! Last minute tour information: SPIRIT (PHOTEK RECORDINGS / METALHEADZ / TIMELESS / FUZE) LONDON will be heading stateside the last 2 weeks in April and beginning of May. Please email me at Encore808@aol.com or call 404 303 0839 for more information regarding the tour! Thanks! Peace, Christy ENCORE entertainment www.encoreagency.com Atlanta From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 18 02:41:30 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9326 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Feb 1999 02:41:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 9317 invoked from network); 18 Feb 1999 02:41:28 -0000 Received: from dillinger.io.com (mkultra@199.170.88.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Feb 1999 02:41:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (mkultra@localhost) by dillinger.io.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13970 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:41:26 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: dillinger.io.com: mkultra owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:41:26 -0600 (CST) From: MK ULTRA To: darkstep@hyperreal.org Subject: (DARKSTEP) Ultrasound LIVE NETCAST ON NOW Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >>Ultrasound<< featuring Texas Hardcorps Live Video and Audio Every Wednesday night 8pm-11pm CST http://www.hardcorps.org/ultrasound Brought to you by InterneTV This Weeks DJs: Twist-1 - Texas Hardcorps - Drum and Bass Noahphex - Texas Hardcorps - Happy Hardcore Plus Special Guest: Siren - The Rollers Redefined Lady Junglist Crew Login to our chatline while we are live- telnet://hardcorps.org:7283 Check out the archives on www.InterneTV.com or www.hardcorps.org/ultrasound Thanks for your support /----------------------- mkultra@hardcorps.org texas raves list owner www.hardcorps.org -----------------------/ From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 19 03:41:49 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23967 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Feb 1999 03:41:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 23760 invoked from network); 19 Feb 1999 03:41:43 -0000 Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (207.194.197.99) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Feb 1999 03:41:43 -0000 Received: from intouch.bc.ca (unverified [207.194.197.133]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:40:37 -0800 Message-ID: <36CCDCEF.323ECD44@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:39:27 -0800 From: optic mystic Reply-To: opticmystic@techno.ca Organization: Siliconundrum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opticmystic@techno.ca Subject: (DARKSTEP) fwd: V/VM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk zimbo wrote: > there is a new series of 4 7"s from v/vm called "machine".. > where each 7" is to represent a machine component -- and you, the builder > are to make your own machine out of the 4 components. > > all in all, its really quite good, noisey stuff. some rhythmic (think > praxis/ambush, as brought up above), some straight noise (think most of > the merzbow catelog), some more ambient (think more removed coil > material..) ..and some sounding like machines :) weell, they all do > in their own special way. > > v/vm also pops up on the compilation: mission two:connecting electronix > network (nature records). this comp feature idm dream kids phoeniecia > (well, okay, i find them dreamy) -- but more important to this list are > the tracks from somatic respononses and amp-tek. > > the amp-tek song, in specific, is well crafted, hard hitting, pretty, > en-trancing and shocking all at the same time.. relaly good stuff, > comparable to the mike dred and peter green collaborations (machine codes) > -- but a tad bit more this listy. > > does anyone know anything about amp-tek? > > i sure dont.. and id love to! > > thanks. > > chris. > > np: pomassl > > music, four lunchpails: wednesdays 7-8pm kuci 88.9fm www.kuci.org > "chicks dig laptops" -- colin http://come.to/beatgrinder From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 06:38:05 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21537 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 06:38:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21526 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 06:38:03 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 06:38:03 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA69069 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:43:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:43:22 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: (DARKSTEP) Dope.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In my usal shoping spree during the week. I picked up this one toon Decorum on lifitin spirit records. Not only is it nice,dark evil and has some really quality sounds. But the bass and the Arrangement of the track just give it a complete rollen track. Def a floor filling dance track with out sacraficing the darkness and the intelligence most of us come to desire in our tech/darkstep, def something you should check out. ******************************************************************** Robert Skinner skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator Things To Come Records Darkstep List Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------- Skinner's Personal Ego http://www.skinner.org Black Monolith Records http://www.blackmonolith.com Things To Come Records http://www.thingstocome.com Gabber List http://www.gabberlist.org Darkstep List http://www.darkstep.org ******************************************************************** From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 15:01:58 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12967 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 15:01:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 12959 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 15:01:55 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 15:01:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19990222144637.15452.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:46:37 PST Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:46:37 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) Dope.. To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I don't know.. I picked the liftin'spirits up myself, but I am not sure about it. There have been SO many tracks like that out recently that I am starting to get annoyed by the lack of originality. For example, The first release on Bad Company's self titled label (same guys as future forces, renegade hardware production artists) , THE NINE. This track has gotten alot of play, however, aren't we all set with the driving mid-range bass and mediocre step break. I mean, sure the production is good, and I usually like everything that future forces offers, but come on. No U Turn was doing that stuff 3 years ago. (ie older Trace and Nico and older Ed Rush and Optical too). I actually played it out last week to test it out and it worked on the dance floor, but..............I am just looking to people like Dom and Mark Caro (Tech Itch) to keep up the flow of new ideas that has been of one the driving factors behind the incredible progress of this music. If you are intersted in a new twist on the midrange bass, ruff roller, dancefloor killer, check out new Audio Couture Promo by DJ TeeBee. Although, up until this point, I have not been a big TeeBee fan these tracks are great. They kinda fall in somewhere between drumtrip rmx and .... well, I don't know. It is just real good. Most likely it has not hit records stores yet, but I THINK the release date is late march/early april. I know Audio Couture is falling behind in their promo to release rate, so it may take a while for the rest of the states to have the full release. Give Scott at 4front a call though, he might be able to sort you out. If not, then definitley check out any audio couture promos he has in stock.. they are running things. The other new realease which all you virus fans should peep is the new Optical on some f'ed up label, "Urban ..sumthin". He remixed a downtempo, r+b-esque, trip hop track. If you are a virus fan, watch out. Take a cool break, add a super slick women's vocal (that will make any man wonder what she looks like), throw in a progressive sub-bass line and top it off with the superb production of Mr Matt Quinn himself, and you have this dancefloor ripper. wicked. (also the Warhead RMX is available on promo as of last Friday, it is pretty good) That's my three cents................... thanks for reading.. :) randy ps did anyone try to go see Fierce friday night at Barnard College, I heard he did not show. that really sucks) == randy j shepherd aka rando <[bostonm a s s .| v e]> rando@earthalliance.com rand-e@rocketmail.com *checkout the ENDLESS webpage: (my emo/post-punk band) members.tripod.com/~endlesspage (under-construction) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 16:14:27 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8960 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 16:14:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 8952 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 16:14:25 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 16:14:25 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA75057 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:19:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:19:42 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) Dope.. In-Reply-To: <19990222144637.15452.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, rando wrote: :)No U Turn was doing that stuff 3 years ago. (ie older Trace and Nico :)and older Ed Rush and Optical too). So what? Did I say it was Revolutionary? Nope. I said it was good. and I also said it was good becuse it uses things that "most people come to look for". Moving forward and doing something differnt is great. But that doesnt mean something done before is bad. Why does "electronic" music have to Migrate faster then any other form of music in this planet? A style is old after a few years or less? Come-on now. The concepts might have been done beofre but the sounds and the Arange ment are differnt and the formula works, some poeople like this formula, so what. If its good, its good. Its nice to push the mimits and you always need for peopel to do that to keep things quality, but that just means for people who subscribe to a already existent formula they have to work 2X as ahrd nowt o produce quality since its "been done" So your going to diss "old skool" and ragga becuse its making a come back and people have "done that before"? Will you dis Jazz step becuse its using Jazz samples and o that was done in the early 20's till now. That is been done before. Look at all these rock bands coming out in the 90's that is so 50's that rock stuff sheesh. Electornic Music sounds thts so 70's eraly 80's sheesh. ******************************************************************** Robert Skinner skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator Things To Come Records Darkstep List Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------- Skinner's Personal Ego http://www.skinner.org Black Monolith Records http://www.blackmonolith.com Things To Come Records http://www.thingstocome.com Gabber List http://www.gabberlist.org Darkstep List http://www.darkstep.org ******************************************************************** From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 16:41:37 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20595 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 16:41:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 20586 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 16:41:35 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 16:41:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990222162615.7224.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:26:15 PST Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:26:15 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: RE: (DARKSTEP) dope... To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hehe ...slow down there skin.. I am just sharing my opinion. Let me explain myself. first of all, using a formula in any genre is a bad scene because it stagnates the music. This is particularily applicable in jungle. The reason for this is simple, This music has progressed almost as much, in a shorter amount of time, as rock (I say this with confidence as an established rock musician ). And, as I am sure you of all people realize, new technology and production techniques allows for music never percieved by the human imagination before. I strongly believe that this music is one of the few arts in this generation that is NOT post-modern. (post-modernism being the theory that everything has been done before and nothing new can be created) I say this because electronic music in the 90's is generating sounds previously inconceivable to the human imagination. That is why old themes should not be regurgitated yet. Old No U Turn is some of my absolute favorite music of all time, and when it came out it made me feel so incredible that I could not imagine anything better. I was short-sighted to think that, because the music has moved on......... It is far too early to throw in the towel and swallow a rehash of old ideas. To be honest, the new liftin spirits is not a bad track, I chose to comment because I see it as a begining of a slippery slope to boredom. Please don't take anything I said as insultory or inflamatory. It is simply an opinion, and I could easily be full of shit. byebye == randy j shepherd aka rando <[bostonm a s s .| v e]> rando@earthalliance.com rand-e@rocketmail.com *checkout the ENDLESS webpage: (my emo/post-punk band) members.tripod.com/~endlesspage (under-construction) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 17:48:26 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18204 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 17:48:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 18192 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 17:48:22 -0000 Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 17:48:22 -0000 Received: from DRC372@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id IPSQa23181 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:46:02 -0500 (EST) From: DRC372@aol.com Message-ID: <9014bd10.36d197da@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:46:02 EST To: darkstep@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) Dope.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Wow...settle down man. I agree with both camps... I think we should strike a balance between "pushing the envelope" (to use one of my favorite cliche's) without losing sight of the dancefloor. Not everybody is making hourlong odes to their mothers with orchestral arrangements, but no one can deny that it's experimental. Crap bollocks, maybe, but experimental nonetheless. I think tracks like Decorum's and Bad Company's and Usual Suspects' are very effective tracks that, let's face it, get the job done. Which is more than I can say about a LOT of new releases. Darcy Reenis Phungus Recordings From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 18:03:28 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27578 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 18:03:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 27570 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 18:03:26 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 18:03:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19990222174807.25512.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:48:07 PST Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:48:07 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) Dope.. To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Thanks for the back man. It is just that I can't help but feel that between the time "The Nine" came out on plate until now, gave "decorum", whoever that is is, enough time to cook up a tune like that. I am not saying that that is what happened, it just feels contrived. As far as Tech Itch goes, there is some stuff out on promo that you cannot really f' with. Plus, you cannot forget that Mark Caro has about 50 zillion aliases ie.. Secret Methods, TIC (when recording on Back2Basics and Second Movement), Alpha Proxima, Biostacis, Third Itch, PMA, Soundcraft, PsychoKenesis, Plasmic Life, TI Crew............... There is an immense amount of music he has been responsible for, and although not all is fantastic, alot is very very good. And on the subject of Trace, Scott has some test presses of his new shit and I agree that he needs to change it up a little. Don't forget though he is young, he has quite a number of years before before we have to worry about him burning out. And we all know he is talented, so he will come out on top. I mentioned him before because he was so pivotal in establishing that No U Turn sound. Cool. thank you. == randy j shepherd aka rando <[bostonm a s s .| v e]> rando@earthalliance.com rand-e@rocketmail.com *checkout the ENDLESS webpage: (my emo/post-punk band) members.tripod.com/~endlesspage (under-construction) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 18:09:38 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1841 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 18:09:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 1668 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 18:09:33 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 18:09:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990222175414.26780.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:54:14 PST Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:54:14 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) Dope.. To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey Skin Are you getting upset? I mean, this doesn't have to be personal. I really enjoy talking with other well informed people about music, and I am not trying to cop an attitude. I respect you and your opinion, if I did not, I wouldn't be on this list. this kind of high calibur debate on tunes is exactly what I was looking for on a list. I think it is great that this is happening, I just hope we can agree to disagree. talk to ya later, == randy j shepherd aka rando <[bostonm a s s .| v e]> rando@earthalliance.com rand-e@rocketmail.com *checkout the ENDLESS webpage: (my emo/post-punk band) members.tripod.com/~endlesspage (under-construction) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 18:28:27 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14009 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 18:28:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 13998 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 18:28:22 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 18:28:22 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA76990 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:33:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:33:40 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: RE: (DARKSTEP) dope... In-Reply-To: <19990222162615.7224.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, rando wrote: :)first of all, using a formula in any genre is a bad scene because :)it stagnates the music. This is particularily applicable in jungle. All music is formula its based on math. And its very hard to change somthing from a bass formula, then you no longer have that "form of music" :)That is why old themes should not be regurgitated yet. Old No U Turn :)is some of my absolute favorite music of all time, and when it came out :)it made me feel so incredible that I could not imagine anything better. :)I was short-sighted to think that, because the music has moved :)on......... Show me something os amzingly new? Show me something So experimentaly differnt that hasnt been dont yet. Show me some new sounds that arnt created yet (white noise doesnt count becuse in a way noise has been done). Muscians are limited to what theier gear is limited to do when it comes to sounds. Most of the "sounds" used in jungle/d n b have been around longer then most ogf use (the old analog sound we like in ur basslines has been around since the 50's) Until new "gear" comes out your limited to sounds. As for the Music Threory of "jungle/d nbb" that isnt going to change becuse once it does its no longer that form of music. :)It is simply an opinion, and I could easily be full of shit. Your full of shit as much as I am full of shit :) :) :) ******************************************************************** Robert Skinner skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator Things To Come Records Darkstep List Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------- Skinner's Personal Ego http://www.skinner.org Black Monolith Records http://www.blackmonolith.com Things To Come Records http://www.thingstocome.com Gabber List http://www.gabberlist.org Darkstep List http://www.darkstep.org ******************************************************************** From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 18:40:37 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23754 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 18:40:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 23581 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 18:40:32 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 18:40:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19990222182513.3099.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:25:13 PST Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:25:13 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: RE: (DARKSTEP) dope... To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I full well realize that it is time to shut up and drop the subject.......................... but ... ahhh..... fuck. here I go again. Music is NOT based on math. The language of music has mathematical qualities. Music can be expressed in mathematical terms, however to say "music is based on math" is difficult to accept for me. Music is based on feeling. After all isn't that why we all are involved? the way it makes us feel? I know that new interesting DnB tracks make me feel new things. that is why I like it. I mean, where's the funk at? 8P It ain't doin' algebra. The other thing, as a producer wouldn't you agree that the potential of equiptment has increased dramatically in the last three years? That being the case, the horizons of electronic music have been widened in the last in that time giving musicians the ability to expand the music beyond what has previously been done. That is it I promise I will shut up now. Thanks guys. :) == randy j shepherd aka rando <[bostonm a s s .| v e]> rando@earthalliance.com rand-e@rocketmail.com *checkout the ENDLESS webpage: (my emo/post-punk band) members.tripod.com/~endlesspage (under-construction) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 18:54:26 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5173 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 18:54:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 5162 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 18:54:23 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 18:54:23 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA77765 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:59:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:59:40 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: RE: (DARKSTEP) dope... In-Reply-To: <19990222182513.3099.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, rando wrote: :)Music is NOT based on math. The language of music has mathematical :)qualities. Music can be expressed in mathematical terms, however to :)say "music is based on math" is difficult to accept for me. :) :)Music is based on feeling. After all isn't that why we all are involved? :)the way it makes us feel? I know that new interesting DnB tracks make :)me feel new things. that is why I like it. :) :)I mean, where's the funk at? 8P It ain't doin' algebra. Yea but your fellings is still "mathmaticaly aranged" The fellings come from the sounds used and how the producer choose to "arange" them. Maybe becuse I studied theroy at juliard in a co-workshop with my highskool 9 years ago. to me music is Math and Emotions. My point wasnt to take the "emotions" away from the music my point is the music itsself and its majro classifications are based on the the theroy that is the "formula" for sed type of music. On a side note algebra does give me funk and emotions but im a coder so of course I get off on that :) :)The other thing, as a producer wouldn't you agree that the potential of :)equiptment has increased dramatically in the last three years? That :)being the case, the horizons of electronic music have been widened in :)the last in that time giving musicians the ability to expand the music :)beyond what has previously been done. I agree here, But when the gear isnt there the new movement isnt there. One thing that piss me off is (im not saying its u) but in general is when people go " o he needs to make something new or dont done yet" and I go well some people will if the resources are there. But the same people who say this dont do any thing themselves if they want to hear something new and not done yet. then lets see them do it, or lets see them give examples of what they are talking about. But "rave" asscoaited people make me laugh the most. becuse they are the most hipocritcal (im not innocent here myself) when it comes to things not changing. Shit people who listen to old elecotrnic music and industrail from the 70-80's haven no problems with the formula being used again, neither do rock muscians or hip-hop etc. They expand upon and re uses a lot of things are are creting some amazing things. Its just funnt that we as a group are the most hypictical. I think its mostly becuse its so new and it is still in an infitiale stage. So looking for omething new is a major drving desier. becuse were acustomed to new stuff comeing all the time since it is so virgin. But the truth is at one poing ot another there will be limits reached (with certian varioans in exmerimentation) but even experimental things are still basing thier core design on something that is already there. Music Theroy doesnt change. The same theory is used in classical music from hundreds of years ago as is used in our modern day electronic music. ******************************************************************** Robert Skinner skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator Things To Come Records Darkstep List Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------- Skinner's Personal Ego http://www.skinner.org Black Monolith Records http://www.blackmonolith.com Things To Come Records http://www.thingstocome.com Gabber List http://www.gabberlist.org Darkstep List http://www.darkstep.org ******************************************************************** From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 18:57:23 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6180 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 18:57:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 5906 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 18:57:12 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 18:57:12 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA77819; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:02:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:02:30 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: Gabber List cc: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: (DARKSTEP) TVT Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Some of you who follow the music industry might find this intersting. TVT has done people like reznor, AFX twin, there techno/electronic devison is slowly moving towards non industrial genres of music so I figure this might be of some relivence to read. *** Begin Article*** TVT Records Obtains $23 Million in Financing to Fuel Growth; Loan Backed By Revenues from Firm's Recordings NEW YORK, Feb. 22 /PRNewswire/ -- TVT Records announced today it plans to pursue an aggressive growth strategy over the next three years by developing and acquiring new labels, while at the same time launching an initiative to greatly increase the number of artists it produces. To do this, the company has obtained financing in excess of $23 million, secured by the company's revenues from its catalogue of record masters and music publishing. The asset-backed financing, which was originated and structured by CAK Universal Credit Corporation (UCC), is a 10-year expected life, seven-year average life loan. UCC intends to hold the loan on its books for future securitization in a pooled loan transaction. TVT founder and President Steve Gottlieb said, "Consolidation within the music industry has opened up tremendous opportunities. This type of financing enables us to retain full equity while giving us substantial capital with which to grow. It puts us on an equal footing with the major record companies. It will allow us to give our artists the kind of financial support typically provided to only select major label priorities, without their sacrificing the focused marketing and attention of a small boutique label." UCC Chairman Charles A. Koppelman concurred, "This transaction will change the paradigm in the record business for independent record labels. Our capital will enable TVT to achieve its financial goals and retain its independence at the same time." Gottlieb said, "The advent of asset-backed financing could help fuel further industry restructuring since the independents will be able to access significantly more capital. The eventual impact could be every bit as profound as independent film financing has been in the film industry. We envision this being the first of a series of asset-backed financings for us going forward. "We're really excited to be the first among our peers to take advantage of this method, which has been utilized by only a handful of players in the entire entertainment industry." UCC President Robert W. D'Loren noted. "This transaction marks the first time that a principal actively engaged in the exploitation of rights has secured asset-backed financing. This transaction is infinitely more complex than anything previously structured in this asset class. We are proud to be the first to accomplish a transaction of this nature, and we're now poised to apply this financial technology across the board in the entertainment industry." TVT is one of the nation's leading independent labels and the only fully-integrated independent label boasting a national field force and its own distribution network. The company's popular music roster features a wide range of genres, including Alternative Rock, Industrial, Techno, R&B, Hip-Hop, Jazz, Dancehall Reggae, classic reissues and more. Popular label artists include XTC, Sevendust, Buck-O-Nine, Bounty Killer, Gravity Kills, Mic Geronimo, Gil Scott-Heron, the Connells and The Brian Jonestown Massacre. One of the company's greatest successes to date has been the discovery and development of the artist Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails. The act is now the subject of a joint venture between TVT and Interscope Records. TVT's sale of its joint venture interest to Interscope Records is pending. TVT is also one of the nation's leading soundtrack producers, entering the record business in 1985 with the eight-volume Television's Greatest Hits. Recent and upcoming film and television properties issued by TVT Soundtrax include Blade, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, White Boys, Mortal Kombat, Lost In Space, Scream, Fargo, Smoke Signals, Dee Snider's Strangeland, Hi-Lo Country and Conspiracy Theory. In early 1998, TVT established a Broadway division with the release of 1776, followed by Stephen Sondheim's Follies, the Grammy-nominated The Wizard of Oz and Sandra Bernard's one-woman show, I'm Still Here Dammit! The company recently established a strategic partnership with United Producers, an innovative new label formed by ten of the industry's most respected musical producers. The collective, which includes Danny Kortchmar, Brad Wood and Tim Palmer, has produced albums that have sold an astounding 120 million units worldwide. TVT also has released or will be releasing records in conjunction with CBS Television, Anheuser Busch, the Sci-Fi Channel, MTV's Matt Pinfield and Crunch Fitness. TVT's labels currently include TVT Records, Wax Trax! Records, Blunt Recordings, United Producers and TVT Soundtrax. Headquartered in New York City, TVT has field offices in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Boston and Toronto. Annual sales exceed $40 million. New York-based law firms Thelen, Reid & Priest and Liebowitz, Roberts & Ritholz represented TVT in the transaction. From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 21:46:13 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16646 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 21:46:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 16624 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 21:46:07 -0000 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (HELO pandora.chariot.net.au) (root@203.30.236.84) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 21:46:07 -0000 Received: from jochemwe (ppp-175.cust4.adl.chariot.net.au [210.9.17.175]) by pandora.chariot.net.au (8.9.1a/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA07897; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:15:41 +1030 Message-ID: <007101be5eac$cf9532c0$af1109d2@jochemwe> From: "BLA BLA BLA" To: "S K I N N E R" , "DarkStep Mailing List" Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) dope... Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:15:52 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >On a side note algebra does give me funk and emotions but im a coder so of >course I get off on that :) > Dude you scare me sometimes =P On a different note, I'm yet to find other stuf that remotely even sounds close to the stuff that I love so much on Position Crome and Ambush Rec. Any suggestions anyone? Pleeeeezee xNACHTx Currently Playing - Nothing, its too early..... From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 22:16:58 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7662 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 22:16:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 7645 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 22:16:51 -0000 Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (root@206.191.160.34) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 22:16:51 -0000 Received: from mpdywdzn (term2-059.speakeasy.net [206.191.162.59]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA29810 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:15:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990222142045.008705c0@speakeasy.org> X-Sender: sunshine@speakeasy.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:20:45 -0800 To: DarkStep Mailing List From: Tamara Weikel Subject: RE: (DARKSTEP) dope... In-Reply-To: References: <19990222182513.3099.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 01:59 PM 2/22/99 -0500, S K I N N E R wrote: >On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, rando wrote: > >:)Music is NOT based on math. The language of music has mathematical >:)qualities. Music can be expressed in mathematical terms, however to >:)say "music is based on math" is difficult to accept for me. >:) >:)Music is based on feeling. After all isn't that why we all are involved? >:)the way it makes us feel? I know that new interesting DnB tracks make >:)me feel new things. that is why I like it. >:) >:)I mean, where's the funk at? 8P It ain't doin' algebra. > >Yea but your fellings is still "mathmaticaly aranged" The fellings come from >the sounds used and how the producer choose to "arange" them. Maybe becuse I >studied theroy at juliard in a co-workshop with my highskool 9 years ago. to me >music is Math and Emotions. My point wasnt to take the "emotions" away from the >music my point is the music itsself and its majro classifications are based on >the the theroy that is the "formula" for sed type of music. > Okay now I'm going to have to jump in here. Music Theory is a mathematical formula to explain how music is written and how we react emotionally to music, which was there in the first place. But unless you're completely academic, you don't write the music by following the formula, do you? No, you write what you think sounds good and explain it later. The music came first. Theory comes after. Mozart didn't structure out his chord progressions first, he wrote down what he heard in his head or what he improvised on the piano. He had learned what "felt" right and why, but not through the mathematical study of theory, but through the use of the piano which he used as fluently as his own voice. We use theory to interpret what he was doing, and to a certain extent can reproduce it, but it's not about following a formula, it's about explaining a phenomenon. >Music Theroy doesnt change. The same theory is used in classical music from >hundreds of years ago as is used in our modern day electronic music. Actually only partially true. Theory of any kind is always being added to. For the most part yes, the same classical theory is used in our modern day electronic music, but in the classical world, advancements in theory are being made just like they are still being made in the mathematical and scientific world with super string and chaos theory. Same world, more scientific theory. Same emotions, more music theory. It's endless as long as we fail as humans to fully understand a subject or try to put in words what can really only be experienced. For instance, they still haven't explained *why* different keys have different "feelings" (i.e. D major is a "happy" key sig, which is why Haydn wrote in it so much, writing concert and dinner music for the courts of dukes and princes. Did he read that in a book? Don't think so.) I highly recommend the book "New Musical Resources" by Henry Cowell. The name makes it sound like a book on gear or something, but really introduces some new concepts, including Cowell's "theory of musical relativity," overtones, polyharmony, and explorations in dissonance. Either way, they are still only explanations for something that exisited somewhere already, in our world, our emotions, out blood, or pulsing somewhere in the deep underground. The music is first, an expression of emotion. Wow, sorry for the digression. Back to lurk mode. ;) - * * * * * * * Tamara Weikel composer, selector, chanteuse Sweet Mother Recordings 524 Boylston Ave E #101 Seattle, WA 98102 sunshine@speakeasy.org phone (206)323.7897 for bookings: Contrast Artist Management 212.238.3648 or tamara@contrastmusic.com "Some musicians continue to feel that electronic instruments are gimmicks and toys. As for me, I never consider any instrument in the category of no value in the composer's world of creation." -Sun Ra, 1970 "You do it for love, or you don't do it." -Rinde Eckert, 10/11/96 From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 22:36:25 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24442 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 22:36:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 24348 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 22:36:21 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 22:36:21 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA81872; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:41:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: Tamara Weikel cc: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: RE: (DARKSTEP) dope... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990222142045.008705c0@speakeasy.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Tamara Weikel wrote: :)Okay now I'm going to have to jump in here. Music Theory is a mathematical :)formula to explain how music is written and how we react emotionally to :)music, which was there in the first place. But unless you're completely :)academic, you don't write the music by following the formula, do you? No, :)you write what you think sounds good and explain it later. :)The music came first. Theory comes after. Mozart didn't structure out his :)chord progressions first, he wrote down what he heard in his head or what :)he improvised on the piano. He had learned what "felt" right and why, but :)not through the mathematical study of theory, but through the use of the :)piano which he used as fluently as his own voice. We use theory to :)interpret what he was doing, and to a certain extent can reproduce it, but :)it's not about following a formula, it's about explaining a phenomenon. Actualy no mozart wrote whe he heard down in accordence to musci theroy. He wrote his music in throey form (the notes he wrote were in standard form) he didnt sjust make music and years later someone turned it into score. Mozart and Betoven both wrote the music straight to score from there heads. then played it. that is what was amazing about them, Esp Betoven who did that after he went deaf still wrote scores. Music is still Sctrutured in TIME and TIME is MATHMATICS. :)Either way, they are still only explanations for something that exisited :)somewhere already, in our world, our emotions, out blood, or pulsing :)somewhere in the deep underground. The music is first, an expression of :)emotion. I never said Music wasnt emotional Just like our emotions expressed in society it still falls into some "structure" how we relay them. The emotion is created int TIME scturtures. Ie you have felling yes but when this felling is turned itno music it is turned into a Stuctured format and the math comes into play. They are both pertenant. Anything that has to do with TIME is math. and Music is highly integratd with Time Mesurements. ******************************************************************** Robert Skinner skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator Things To Come Records Darkstep List Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------- Skinner's Personal Ego http://www.skinner.org Black Monolith Records http://www.blackmonolith.com Things To Come Records http://www.thingstocome.com Gabber List http://www.gabberlist.org Darkstep List http://www.darkstep.org ******************************************************************** From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 22:56:21 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9097 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 22:56:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 9090 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 22:56:19 -0000 Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (root@206.191.160.34) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 22:56:19 -0000 Received: from mpdywdzn (term2-059.speakeasy.net [206.191.162.59]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA06623; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:56:19 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990222150008.00888180@speakeasy.org> X-Sender: sunshine@speakeasy.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:00:08 -0800 To: S K I N N E R From: Tamara Weikel Subject: RE: (DARKSTEP) dope... Cc: DarkStep Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990222142045.008705c0@speakeasy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 05:41 PM 2/22/99 -0500, S K I N N E R wrote: >Actualy no mozart wrote whe he heard down in accordence to musci theroy. >He wrote his music in throey form (the notes he wrote were in standard form) >he didnt sjust make music and years later someone turned it into score. >Mozart and Beetoven both wrote the music straight to score from there heads. then >played it. that is what was amazing about them, Esp Betoven who did that after >he went deaf still wrote scores. Music is still Sctrutured in TIME and TIME is >MATHMATICS. Uh, oh... you misunderstand what I mean by theory. Yes, Mozart wrote in standard notation, but that's not music theory, that's the language of music. We can all write straight onto paper and play it later, just like everyone else can write a letter down without talking first. And yes he wrote it down in accordance with music theory but not by using theory as a formula. Trust me, I've studied him. And yes for most of his works Mozart scored right out of his head, he certainly had that ability, but much of his early piano sonatas grew from improvisation, and it is argued whether or not he actually wrote down some of the earliest stuff, or whether he played it and his father wrote it down. (An interesting aside- I had the opportunity to actually see a facsimile of one of Mozart's handwritten scores last Thursday and it was amazing- he wrote so fast, and in pen, and never made a mistake. His calligraphy is really messy though.) > >:)Either way, they are still only explanations for something that exisited >:)somewhere already, in our world, our emotions, out blood, or pulsing >:)somewhere in the deep underground. The music is first, an expression of >:)emotion. > >I never said Music wasnt emotional Just like our emotions expressed in society >it still falls into some "structure" how we relay them. The emotion is created >int TIME scturtures. Ie you have felling yes but when this felling is turned >itno music it is turned into a Stuctured format and the math comes into play. >They are both pertenant. Anything that has to do with TIME is math. and Music is >highly integratd with Time Mesurements. We're walking the fine line of semantics here. Actually time isn't mathematics, but the measurement of time is. And we both agree that music is emotional, but I don't agree that it is based on theory, rather the other way around: Theory is based on music. The theory is the mathematics, not the music. (This is fun... the most intelligent and stimulating conversation I've had from any list yet! Thanks Skinner.) :) Okay, and to keep this on topic with the darkstep list- People into techstep should check out classical composer Iannis Xenakis, you'd like him. Homeboy was troubled. Heehee. My favorite producer(s) right now: Calyx. Anyone have a snail mail addy for them? kisses t - tamara weikel composer, selector, chanteuse for bookings: Contrast Artist Management 212.238.3648 or tamara@contrastmusic.com Bouncer: "Hey, are you the DJ?" Boy carrying his girlfriend's records: "No, man, you just frisked the DJ." true story From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 23:06:03 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18825 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 23:06:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 18741 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 23:05:59 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 23:05:59 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA82729; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:11:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:11:17 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: Tamara Weikel cc: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: RE: (DARKSTEP) dope... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990222150008.00888180@speakeasy.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Tamara Weikel wrote: :)certainly had that ability, but much of his early piano sonatas grew from :)improvisation, and it is argued whether or not he actually wrote down some :)of the earliest stuff, or whether he played it and his father wrote it down. actualy most of what he played wasnt writtend down until later in his life (20's) :)We're walking the fine line of semantics here. Actually time isn't :)mathematics, but the measurement of time is. And we both agree that music :)is emotional, but I don't agree that it is based on theory, rather the :)other way around: Theory is based on music. The theory is the :)mathematics, not the music. well you can look at it this way our ability to create it is based on theory. Are fellings of it and what is in our heads and our hearst is un explainable but with the uses to Math and Theory were able to generte the music. Maybe Juliard ruined me. Or maybe becuse Im a Comp Engineer for aliving im Less Idelastic and more Analitical. (yet im a scorpio). See to me Music is my only emotional outlet. (not including anger) and yet I find a strong realtionship to the creation ogf it being mathematical. :)(This is fun... the most intelligent and stimulating conversation I've had :)from any list yet! Thanks Skinner.) :) We might not all agree but it expands our minds. Hopefully the list stays at this level :). ******************************************************************** Robert Skinner skinner{at}skinner[dot]org Black Monolith Records Gabber List Administrator Things To Come Records Darkstep List Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------- Skinner's Personal Ego http://www.skinner.org Black Monolith Records http://www.blackmonolith.com Things To Come Records http://www.thingstocome.com Gabber List http://www.gabberlist.org Darkstep List http://www.darkstep.org ******************************************************************** From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 22 23:41:33 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19865 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Feb 1999 23:41:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 19853 invoked from network); 22 Feb 1999 23:41:29 -0000 Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 1999 23:41:29 -0000 Received: from RyanEReid@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6WFTa07005; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:16:50 -0500 (EST) From: RyanEReid@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:16:50 EST To: sunshine@speakeasy.org Cc: darkstep@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: (DARKSTEP) dope... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Netmail sub 2 Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/22/99, 4:56:23 PM, sunshine@speakeasy.org writes: <> All western music relies on the concept of building up tension and repose. Mozart used theory as a formula every time he wrote. He knew how much tension every note, chord, and rhythm he wrote would produce. This is what composers do. A minor 2nd sounds much more tense than a major 3rd. Know what a polyrhythm is? This is all mathematics. The truth is everything boils down to mathematics. Form is just rhythm on a large scale. Rhythm and Harmony are just mathematics on a larger scale. Do you see where I'm going? Even the entire physical world can be traced to single elements, which can be arranged in endless combinations for different results. I use mathematics, even directly, in music. I'm often aided by a little interval chart showing the vibration ratios of different intervals (this is what causes harmonic tension). I love my delay time calculator, too. =) peas waveshape kyd From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 23 15:04:49 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26146 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Feb 1999 15:04:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 26139 invoked from network); 23 Feb 1999 15:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bbs.clubtek.com) (206.12.82.232) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Feb 1999 15:04:47 -0000 Received: from MHS by bbs.clubtek.com with MHS id AHAKDGAO ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:11:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:10:54 -0800 From: holt@clubtek.com Message-ID: Subject: (DARKSTEP) Darkstep-Digest V1 #4 To: darkstep@hyperreal.org Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk DA>tamara weikel wrote: DA>Okay, and to keep this on topic with the darkstep list- DA>People into techstep should check out classical composer Iannis Xenakis, DA>you'd like him. Homeboy was troubled. Heehee. I have two of his records. One from 1960 and one from 1971. All electro-acoustic/musique concrete noise scapes. Not a whole lot of formula or math involved in them (aside from measuring tape splices). They are mostly improvised with some sort of conceptual basis. Terrifying sounds for the 1960's! Great stuff for fill-in ambience. Not easy to find on wax though. Darkstep? -Seedy BEAT GRINDER http://come.to/beatgrinder Saturday March 13 1999 Vancouver BC Canada From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 23 15:23:13 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2429 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Feb 1999 15:23:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 2415 invoked from network); 23 Feb 1999 15:23:11 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Feb 1999 15:23:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990223150745.12918.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:07:45 PST Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:07:45 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: Re: RE: (DARKSTEP) dope... To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everyone, first off, I just want to say that I think it is cool that this conversation has been kept to a civil level. And since I kinda had a hand in the developement of all of this, I just want to add one more comment (or three). :) well well well.... The conversation of math versus feeling in music. I have heard this one a million times. However, there is one thing significantly different about this time around that hopefully will give me the ability to offer a notable addition to the conversation. ->!This is the first time I have ever heard this discussion with the focus as electronic music!<- I will try to make this short and sweet. (i don't know if I can) Before I was introduced to any kind of electronic music (I was 11 years old), I was introduced to the punk/hardcore scene here in boston....whatever....I was immersed in this culture early on. Although I had been learning to play different instruments from the age of 10, I starting learning to play and write hardcore and punk songs on the bass and guitar at age 13 . And although I have never been to music school, my music writing has obviously improved dramatically since that age, (I am 22 years old now) The band I play in now ENDLESS has already released a cd, done three tours and recieved several offers for long term deals. (another tour in may w/ six going on seven) The reaon for telling you all this was to establish that, although I have never attended music school, I have been performing and writing music since a young age. Now... the point Math has everything and nothing to do with music. Math is a quantizer. It is like science AND religion in the sense that it give us observable representation of a abstract theoretical ideas. *what is a mile? a mile is not innatley a mile, it only is, because we call it that.* (interchange measure and mile if you like) (I hope that you can understand the point of that... representations of concept that do not have tangible form) As a musician who has succeeded in writing songs that have made people beat the bejesus out of each other for no other reason than how the music made them feel... I realize that music can be quantized in mathematical terminology, but that is certainly not how I, nor the people who enjoy the music of ENDLESS, understand it. Mathematical thought can certainly serve to inspire ideas about a piece of music. "I use mathematics, even directly, in music. I'm often aided by a littleinterval chart showing the vibration ratios of different intervals(this is what causes harmonic tension). I love my delay time calculator, too. =)" -RyanEReid@aol.com That is pretty fuckin cool if you ask me, I mean, what the hell is a "delay time calculator" anyway? I am pretty sure Slayer never used one, but, hey, whatever works. I may get the same guidance in song structure when I am riding the overcrowded green line train here in writing a song within the mood of frustration and loneliness. I am not saying that some people do not use exclusiveley mathematical theory to structure their song writing, however, there are several forms of inspiration and guidance. I think what we have here is different kinds of musicians talking about the same thing. Inspiration and Structure coming from an induvidual's world view. HOW one UNDERSTANDS is HOW one REPRESENTS the world through music. I know that this message is a little scattered, but I could have written alot more and nobody wants that..... thanks again! == randy j shepherd aka rando <[bostonm a s s .| v e]> rando@earthalliance.com rand-e@rocketmail.com *checkout the ENDLESS webpage: (my emo/post-punk band) members.tripod.com/~endlesspage (under-construction) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 23 16:55:06 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3348 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Feb 1999 16:55:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 3282 invoked from network); 23 Feb 1999 16:55:02 -0000 Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Feb 1999 16:55:02 -0000 Received: from RyanEReid@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WQGAa05340; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:41:56 -0500 (EST) From: RyanEReid@aol.com Message-ID: <3fe57b42.36d2da54@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:41:56 EST To: rand-e@rocketmail.com, darkstep@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) dope... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/23/99 10:23:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, rand- e@rocketmail.com writes: << That is pretty fuckin cool if you ask me, I mean, what the hell is a "delay time calculator" anyway? I am pretty sure Slayer never used one, but, hey, whatever works. >> It's a program that inputs BPM and outputs delay(echo) times. Pretty redundant for simple delays but I use it to generate dubby weird polyrhythmic echoes. Nope, Slayer never used one. I think my music is pretty structurally different than Slayer's, so that's alright. <> It's the emotion that guides the mathematical choices I make. When you're slightly irritated, you might say "Damn". When you're flipping pissed, you'd be more likely to exclaim "FUCK!". It's still mathematics when I'm writing it down or putting it into my sequencer. Now on topic, anyone have the Dom+Matrix-"The Vandal" 12 on Moving Shadow? It's a couple years old but I still really love these tracks. They are so beyond 95% of the shit coming out on Moving Shadow now, and d&b in general. peas waveshape kyd From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 23 18:12:25 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8376 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Feb 1999 18:12:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 8342 invoked from network); 23 Feb 1999 18:12:20 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Feb 1999 18:12:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990223180619.9118.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by attach1; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:06:19 PST Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:06:19 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) dope... To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Back once again. :) "It's a program that inputs BPM and outputs delay(echo) times. Pretty redundant for simple delays but I use it to generate dubby weird polyrhythmic echoes." -So I use one every time I play on a pioneer djm500 mixer then. neat, _____________________________________________________________________ "Nope, Slayer never used one. I think my music is pretty structurally different than Slayer's, so that's alright." -The point is that, however you get there, music comes from and affects emotion __________________________________________________________________ "It's the emotion that guides the mathematical choices I make. When you're slightly irritated, you might say "Damn". When you're flipping pissed,you'd be more likely to exclaim "FUCK!". It's still mathematics when I'm writing it down or putting it into my sequencer." -So then you are saying that math is a median language for some music and not a paradigm for expression as here- "SKINNER-Yea but your fellings is still "mathmaticaly aranged" The fellings come from the sounds used and how the producer choose to "arange" them. . My point wasnt to take the "emotions" awayfrom the music my point is the music itsself and its majro classifications arebased onthe the theroy that is the "formula" for set type of music." ____________________________________________________________________- "Now on topic, anyone have the Dom+Matrix-"The Vandal" 12 on MovingShadow? It's a couple years old but I still really love these tracks. They ares beyond 95% of the shit coming out on Moving Shadow now, and d&b ingeneral." -You do not like Audio Couture? wow. I e-mailed you privately on how to get that record. peace, == randy j shepherd aka rando <[bostonm a s s .| v e]> rando@earthalliance.com rand-e@rocketmail.com *checkout the ENDLESS webpage: (my emo/post-punk band) members.tripod.com/~endlesspage (under-construction) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 17:17:50 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1528 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Feb 1999 17:17:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 1507 invoked from network); 24 Feb 1999 17:17:48 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Feb 1999 17:17:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990224170221.17109.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:02:21 PST Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: (DARKSTEP) ? To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 17:40:30 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20110 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Feb 1999 17:40:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 20089 invoked from network); 24 Feb 1999 17:40:27 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (root@209.3.31.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Feb 1999 17:40:27 -0000 Received: from confusion.skinner.org (skinner@confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA07945 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:46:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:46:11 -0500 (EST) From: S K I N N E R To: DarkStep Mailing List Subject: (DARKSTEP) ADMIN: New spam laws Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk According to Reuters (see http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,32830,00.html?st.ne.fd.mdh article) a bill has been adopted in Virginia, which Gov. Gilmore has promised to sign, that would provide civil and criminal penalties for spamming. Misdemeanor fines could range up to $500 per incident, and malicious spamming (presumably including denial-of-service attacks) could result in felony prosecution and fines up to $25,000 per day. What's that got to do with the list? The fact that AOL is based in Dulles, VA, and that up to 25% of our zubscribers at any given time are using AOL, virtually cements any jurisdictional claim. Bottom line: don't spam the list. Not that any zubscriber has attempted to do so lately, but I thought the warning would help keep it that way. From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 25 02:57:55 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4033 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Feb 1999 02:57:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 3803 invoked from network); 25 Feb 1999 02:57:49 -0000 Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (207.194.197.99) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Feb 1999 02:57:49 -0000 Received: from intouch.bc.ca (unverified [207.194.197.145]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:55:47 -0800 Message-ID: <36D4BB77.5AC13126@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:54:47 -0800 From: optic mystic Reply-To: opticmystic@techno.ca Organization: Siliconundrum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: - Subject: (DARKSTEP) Beat Grinder (vancouver) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk BEAT GRINDER ..a Mediacore project exploring the outer edges of contemporary beats ..minimal, abastract, abrasive, extreme..2 environments, w/ schedules tba Saturday March 13 1999, 4pm-1am 110 W. Hastings, Vancouver.Canada $10 @the door - - - info: 604.444.8024 opticmystic@techno.ca http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/disco/3223/beatginder.html or http://come.to/beatgrinder (new site...lots o' links) - - - live acts: Musikill Mediacore kills music dead...performing a rare beat-oriented set Orgus : the.foE\hammer (Seattle) pummelling...chaos, manic breaks, & noise Bad Feng Shui aka Foolish Bird Mediacore ambient to noise to unclassified Cyclic Lysergen/Mediacore eclectic...very resonant Shit for Brains Mediacore hard skull-grindings Denny Lajeunesse X-Max minimal/experimental tekno DJs: DJ OD aka Oleg/Punk Floyd hard, hard house Miss X Snatch Face Records/X-Max/Mediacore tekno/chill Magnetic Bubble Seedy's records Seedy Northern Hardcorps/Serendipity/The Locked Groove Society/Mediacore harshcore Clone Siliconundrum/Mediacore genericatharsis -- colin http://come.to/beatgrinder From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 25 04:04:20 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1556 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Feb 1999 04:04:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 1525 invoked from network); 25 Feb 1999 04:04:17 -0000 Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (207.194.197.99) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Feb 1999 04:04:17 -0000 Received: from intouch.bc.ca (unverified [207.194.197.153]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: <36D4CB71.6AD06E0F@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:02:58 -0800 From: optic mystic Reply-To: opticmystic@techno.ca Organization: Siliconundrum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: - Subject: (DARKSTEP) Re: Beat Grinder (vancouver) References: <36D4BB77.5AC13126@intouch.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk eh... geocities seems to be forked, so... http://persweb.direct.ca/keyboy/beatgrinder/ optic mystic wrote: > BEAT GRINDER > ..a Mediacore project exploring the outer edges of contemporary beats > ..minimal, abastract, abrasive, extreme..2 environments, w/ schedules > tba > Saturday March 13 1999, 4pm-1am > 110 W. Hastings, Vancouver.Canada -- colin http://come.to/beatgrinder From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 25 21:55:36 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11906 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Feb 1999 21:55:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 11892 invoked from network); 25 Feb 1999 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Feb 1999 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from RyanEReid@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MQFYa04297; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:40:52 -0500 (EST) From: RyanEReid@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0f2367.36d5c364@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:40:52 EST To: rand-e@rocketmail.com, darkstep@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) dope... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/23/99 1:14:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, rand- e@rocketmail.com writes: << So I use one every time I play on a pioneer djm500 mixer then. neat >> Well, sorta. The one I use requires the user to input the BPM (as in, type it in) and gives you the delay values in milliseconds/seconds for use with whatever delay unit you want. Same concept I guess. It's not emotion that's guiding your mixer's delay calculator, it's complex mathematics. <> Right, that's the point of music. Poetry comes from and affects emotion too, but manifests itself through language. <> No, nearly all music has some sort of mathematical basis. << -You do not like Audio Couture? wow. I e-mailed you privately on how to get that record. >> Actually nah, I don't like most of the Audio Couture releases I've heard. I get really sick of two-steps. That's one thing that always made that Dom+Matrix record so cool to me, the beats sound programmed and they aren't your typical sampled jungle breaks, but it's more than just two-steps. peas waveshape kyd From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 25 22:19:27 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29010 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Feb 1999 22:19:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 28557 invoked from network); 25 Feb 1999 22:19:04 -0000 Received: from f258.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Feb 1999 22:19:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 12901 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 1999 22:18:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990225221836.12900.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.113.128.224 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:18:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.113.128.224] From: "palindrome emordnilap" To: aon-chat@lists.Colorado.edu Cc: wnysor-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu, darkstep@hyperreal.org, gabber@hyperreal.org, lowlands@hyperreal.org Subject: (DARKSTEP) Himadri Asia Tour 1999 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:18:36 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Himadri, head of the Canadian electronic label Switch Records and prolific producer will be touring Japan in July and August of 1999 in support of his new album which will soon be released. The material on the album will span 10 years in the making. Ever since the formation of Switch in 1992, it and Himadri's music have been identified the more alternative sounds of electronic music. Further info on Switch can be found at the website at www.switchrecords.com along with Himadri's extensive discography at www.switchrecords.com/discography/discog.htm and a bio on Himadri at www.switchrecords.com/discography/himfo.htm So far Himadri will be appearing at various times in Osaka, Tokyo, Kyoto, Fukuoka and Shizuoka. Any producers or promoters who want to book dates, help arrange more dates or whatever can email me back privately at phaang@hotmail.com thank you blair ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 25 22:30:16 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7550 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Feb 1999 22:30:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 7539 invoked from network); 25 Feb 1999 22:30:12 -0000 Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Feb 1999 22:30:12 -0000 Received: from Igotdavibe@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 2PCDa02500 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:28:11 -0500 (EST) From: Igotdavibe@aol.com Message-ID: <37e5c0dd.36d5ce7b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:28:11 EST To: darkstep@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (DARKSTEP) lookin for Dj? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Lookin for a slowbreak Dj wanted to spinn down in Atlante GA in 2room, just e- mail back and then i'll send out addy to send tape, the party either going to be June12th or July05th Cheer's JEFF From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 15:33:03 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18944 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Feb 1999 15:33:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 18919 invoked from network); 26 Feb 1999 15:32:57 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Feb 1999 15:32:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19990226151733.17247.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:17:33 PST Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:17:33 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: Re: (DARKSTEP) dope... To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk << So I use one every time I play on a pioneer djm500 mixer then. neat>> Well, sorta. The one I use requires the user to input the BPM (as in,type it in) and gives you the delay values in milliseconds/seconds for use with whatever delay unit you want. Same concept I guess. It's not emotion that's guiding your mixer's delay calculator, it's complex mathematics. ---> This is much different, In this case, that device is a simple effects processor and bpm counter (not by any far stretch complex math) that a dj uses to affect the music, it has nothing to do with song writing. No electrical device is designed by feelings obviously, that is an silly comment. <> Right, that's the point of music. Poetry comes from and affects emotion too,but manifests itself through language. --->That is entirley different also. Poetry is manifested through language, yes, But music is not sitting down and studying an equation, which is what you assert here. I know the medium in which it is expressed. <> No, nearly all music has some sort of mathematical basis. -->that makes no sense. Do you understand the word "paradigm"? << -You do not like Audio Couture? wow. I e-mailed you privately on how to get that record. >> Actually nah, I don't like most of the Audio Couture releases I'veheard. I get really sick of two-steps. --> You don't listen to much audio couture, because if you did you would know that in the last 7 release, not one has been a step break. Have you heard "drumtrip rmx"? how about "cabin fever" by Calyx? They are the strongest DnB label right now (in fact, Moving Shadow always has been) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From darkstep-owner-darkstep-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 16:40:22 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: darkstep-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26857 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Feb 1999 16:40:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 26844 invoked from network); 26 Feb 1999 16:40:19 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Feb 1999 16:40:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990226162453.1180.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.34.185.66] by web1; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:24:53 PST Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:24:53 -0800 (PST) From: rando Subject: (DARKSTEP) Fwd: FW: Enquiry To: darkstep@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: darkstep-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ---Phil Dewhurst wrote: > > > Morning ! > > Remember when there was all that chat about Ram Trilogy vol 4 ? Well, I know > it's been cleared up now (sorta), but at the time I mailed Liftin Spirits > (RAM don't have e-mail ! Can you believe that ?!?!) to ask about it... > > This is what they sent back... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Antony Miles > Sent: 25 February 1999 19:59 > To: Phil Dewhurst > Subject: RE: Enquiry > > > Hi, > > The ' Ram Trilogy ' LP will feature five new tracks and three new remixes > (one > of which will be via Ed Rush & Optical) on 4 x 12" and will also be > available > on CD with two bonus tracks. due for release mid june 99. > There will also be ' Sound in Motion 2 ' LP mid october featuring a > Turbulence > remix . This will be preceeded by ' The Moving Fusion EP '. > 2 X 12" featuring ' The Begining ' ( not to be confused with ' The Swerve' > ) > There has just been completed a remix by Origin Unknown for Grooverider's ' > Where's Jack the Ripper ' . > A Shimon remix of ' Musik Maker' - Trouble on Vinyl , > and a Shimon & Ant Miles remix of Aqua Sky's ' Bullet Proof- Moving Shadow. > > thats it , many thanks for your interest in our material. please pass on > this info to who ever > > Scott ' Ram & Liftin' Spirit. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com