Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:28:36 -0500
From: William Perez <will@panix.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) news november 1996
*news november 1996*
*music*
- little changes happening in the >rather interesting< release schedule as
announced last month. end of november will already see the rather
interesting compilation cd >real intelligence II< which was supposed to
be released in late december. it will contain tracks from the meanwhile
deleted rather interesting 1996 releases plus three previously unreleased
bonus tracks.
- next rather interesting release scheduled for january 1997 will be dandy
jack's >dandy jack and the plastic woman< cd.
- atom heart plays live at the 8th of november at >jazzkeller sauschdall<
ulm and the 9th at >ultraschall< munich.
- announced several times but now finally happening: atom heart mcd and
12inch >apart< and accompaning album entitled >shellglove< will be
released on >recent programmings< the 28th of november. the mcd/12inch
contains exclusive remixes by ian pooley, matthew herbert and lisa
carbon.
- the cd >hat< released on rather interesting beginning of this year sees
its japan release on haruomi hosono's label >daisy world<. also released
on hosono's label in november will be the compilation >daisy world tour-
12 strange encounters with unknown sound< which is featuring an
unreleased track by atom heart entitled >overcome the programming< as
well as a version of >machine paisley's< >smoothness above all else< in a
version edited by haruomi hosono himself.
*communication*
- macos (musicians against copyrighting of samples) internet address:
http://www.io.org/~macos/
- macos mailing list: mailto:macos-list@resrocket-com
- macos e-mail address: mailto:macos@io-org
- atom heart website:
http://www.hyperreal.com/music/artists/atom_heart/index.html
- atom heart booking: infect entertainment., attn. katjai,
tel: +49-(O)6021/46148, fax: +49-(O)6021/460485
- rather interesting mailorder: emc distribution service,
tel/fax: +49-(O)6039/45401, e-mail: mailto:thier@wiwi.uni-frankfurt-de
*definitely > out < in november*
01. bassdrums
02. synthesizers
03. modems with less than 14400 baud
04. dropshadows
05. 48 khz
/ / / / / / mailto:will@panix.com
(_/__/ / (__ (__ http://hyperreal.com/~will/
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:46:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Atom Heart has run out of gas.
ChugChug.
Here's a little thread that was running on the IDM list this weekend:
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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 20:51:34 +0000
From: Gilbert ViDela <gmv500@earthlink.net>
To: idm@hyperreal.com
Subject: (idm) Others Opinions on RI releases
Hola,
I own a few _Rather Interesting_ releases and was curious to others
opinions of the whole RI thing. I own HAT and Semi Accoustic Nature. I
find them both to entertain me, but I don't know why as they sound (as most
of the RI stuff) like a bunch of half assed noodling around with analogue
gear. I love MONO tm btw. Do any of you enjoy this "noodling" around
programming thta seems not to make any sense what so ever (But that's a
good thing he said).
On now: H.A.T
later
gil
the other idiot from Orange County, who resides in Costa Miserable!
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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:58:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Turner <mturner@netcom.com>
To: idm@hyperreal.com
Subject: Re: (idm) Others Opinions on RI releases
> I own a few _Rather Interesting_ releases and was curious to others
> opinions of the whole RI thing. I own HAT and Semi Accoustic Nature. I
> find them both to entertain me, but I don't know why as they sound (as
> most of the RI stuff) like a bunch of half assed noodling around with
> analogue gear. I love MONO tm btw. Do any of you enjoy this "noodling"
> around programming thta seems not to make any sense what so ever (But
> that's a good thing he said).
Well Gil, when I first heard HAT, I thought it was half-assed noodling
around. Then after I read the press release, I realized it was actually a
set of "highly complex rhythmical masterpieces." (Yeah, tell that to
Photek.)
I personally enjoy all the RI releases up to BROWN. While they all sound
similar in instrumentation, Atom Heart is stylistically restless enough to
give each release its own individual character. On BROWN, HAT, and MONO
TM, though, the "noodle factor" is way too high for me. There are no tunes
to speak of, not much of a consistent groove, and there's no discernable
progression like there is on, say, the live album (B2). Although I may
warm up to these three after a few more listens, for the time being I've
had about enough "noodles" in my musical diet.
OnNow: Mr Goodwrench's "Just Desserts," KFJC 89.7 FM
--
Mark Turner
mturner@netcom.com
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 11:33:47 +0000
From: Tim Zeigler <zig@pa.net>
To: idm@hyperreal.com
Subject: Re: (idm) Others Opinions on RI releases
> On BROWN, HAT, and MONO TM, though, the "noodle factor" is way too high
> for me. There are no tunes to speak of, not much of a consistent groove,
> and there's no discernable progression like there is on, say, the live
> album (B2).
I'll second this notion that Atom Heart has run out of gas. Maybe he ought
to take a vacation.
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:58:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Cc: David F Maier <dfm8@columbia.edu>
Subject: (mother) Re: Happy Birthday Mom.
Hey.
Thanks to all of you who responded to my eeeeeeasy contest. So
anyway, I put all of your names in a sand pail and had my daughter
Ilizibith pick one out at random. Here's who she chose to win the DOTS cd:
David F Maier <dfm8@columbia.edu>
By god man... you won! Congratulations. Now send me your address so
I can get this wonderful disc out to you this week.
Thanks everybody. Keep listening to the wonderful world of Uwe.
ewu. .`--).
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christopher miller O.'
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on: "Brown" by BROWN
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:21:09 -0600
From: Mark Coleman <mcoleman@wsnet.com>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Semiacoustic Nature and render Audible
Any one know where one may aquire Semiacoustic Nature. any mini reviews of
this piece?
also, I love render. is render audible thus required purchasing?
Mark
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 22:03:17 -0500
From: GD <g-d@worldnet.att.net>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Semiacoustic Nature and render Audible
Mark Coleman wrote:
> Any one know where one may aquire Semiacoustic Nature. any mini reviews
> of this piece?
I like this release quite well. It's stylistically pretty close to Silver
Sound 60, with a bit of Machine Paisley on the side. In my Uwe top 5
releases.
GD
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:29:44 -0500 (EST)
From: David F Maier <dfm8@columbia.edu>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Re: Atom Heart has run out of gas.
[As Chris informed us, Mark T. had written this on the idm list:]
> > On BROWN, HAT, and MONO TM, though, the "noodle factor" is way too high
> > for me. There are no tunes to speak of, not much of a consistent
> > groove, and there's no discernable progression like there is on, say,
> > the live album (B2).
[and Tim Z. had agreed:]
> I'll second this notion that Atom Heart has run out of gas. Maybe he
> ought to take a vacation.
My response:
Foof. MONO TM is *brilliant* (and HAT is great too - haven't heard Brown).
Take a look at the above gripe: "no tunes to speak of", "not much of a
consistent groove". IMO this misses the point of MONO TM entirely. What's
so cool about that release is how each cut (like "Inflatable Rasta Wig" and
the one before it (name escapes me)) starts out like a relatively
straightforward electro cut and slowly mutates into a malevolent alien
beast before our very eyes, as the rhythm disintegrates and the melody (to
the extent that there was one to begin with) dissolves. I love how he
finds so many ways to use the drum machine in a *textural* instead of
*rhythmic* manner - you wouldn't think it was possible at all given the
sounds it makes! On the other hand, given that this debate occurred on the
idm (i*D*m) list, it's not surprising that they worry about such things as
"consistent grooves", so let's not be too hard on them...
D.
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:37:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Deckard <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: mother@nicar.org
Cc: idm@hyperreal.com
Subject: Re: (mother) Re: Atom Heart has run out of gas.
> I'll second this notion that Atom Heart has run out of gas. Maybe he
> ought to take a vacation.
Hmmm... For a musician as prolific as Atom Heart, it's inevitable that
some of the things he releases are going to sound a little outlandish and
inaccessible *even* to people who pride themselves on listening to odd
sorts of music. Atom Heart releases whole albums when others have finished
one song. Saying he's run out of gas just means he's exploring more areas
then you have interest in. The solution to this problem is rather simple:
just buy the releases by Atom Heart that fit yer fancey. You'll still
prolly have plenty of his stuff to investigate...
> Foof. MONO TM is *brilliant* (and HAT is great too - haven't heard
> Brown). Take a look at the above gripe: "no tunes to speak of", "not
> much of a consistent groove". IMO this misses the point of MONO TM
> entirely. What's so cool about that release is how each cut (like
> "Inflatable Rasta Wig" and the one before it (name escapes me)) starts
> out like a relatively straightforward electro cut and slowly mutates into
> a malevolent alien beast before our very eyes, as the rhythm
> disintegrates and the melody (to the extent that there was one to begin
> with) dissolves. I love how he finds so many ways to use the drum
> machine in a *textural* instead of *rhythmic* manner - you wouldn't think
> it was possible at all given the sounds it makes! On the other hand,
> given that this debate occurred on the idm (i*D*m) list, it's not
> surprising that they worry about such things as "consistent grooves", so
> let's not be too hard on them...
Heh... Yeah, i can remember buying "hat" and wondering why it boasted
three seperate studio locations in three different countries, 'cause it
didn't seem like an overwhelming anount of thought went into the production
of songs like "2 Gigabyte of JouJou." It took me some time to just
calibrate my ears to listen to it. Now i know lots of people are like,
"Well, you can always *make* yourself like something after you've bought
it," and hence make it appear as if the disc in question is hogwash. :)
In response, i'd have to say that lot's of my favorite music didn't really
hit me over the head as being very good during the first listen, but my
appreciation was nurtured over several listening sessions. Atom Heart's a
wierdo, and it certainly takes some time to calibrate your own ears to his
variety of styles. Who knows what might happen to Uwe if he took a month
or two off? It'd certainly give us some time to catch up on some
releases...
no@h
(who wouldn't trade his copy of "hat" for *any* amount of Jou-jou)
. . . . . . ...
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:42:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) lead - "Orange"
Hey.
This was on the FAX list. I've included the entire message this time
as it was so short:
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 07:36:18 GMT
From: David Jones <djones@jfku.edu>
To: Faxilicious <fax-l@nicar.org>
Subject: Two CDs for sale or trade...
Atom Heart "Orange" (PS08/36)
Tetsu Inoue "Slow and Low" (PS08/80)
This is _not_ an auction. These were languishing in the bins at Amoeba and
I just want to see them in some fanatics hands instead. I'm not out to make
a buck, so the price on these will be $12 plus s+h and I'll decide on who
gets them if no trade is negotiated. Anyone willing to part with Fax
originals of any of these gets first dibs. This will next go to the ambi-l
if there are no takers here.
PK08/01 Compilation 1
PK08/02 Ambient Compilation II
PK08/05 Compilation 3
PK08/54 Air (1)
PK08/73 Sequential
PK08/76 Putney (1)
PK08/85 Air II
PK08/119 Electronic Music Center
PK08/121 Exploring the Psychedelic Landscape
PS08/23 Sad World (1)
PS08/31 Datacide
PS08/33 IF (1)
PW02 Dreamfish
PW05 2350 Broadway (1)
PW32 Time2
PKPWPS05 Genetic Drift
SEA01 Winter
RI23 Flextone
RI25 VSVN
--
Tanks,
David
onnow: Tetsu Inoue "Slow and Low"
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:07:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Cc: bleep bloop <idm@hyperreal.com>
Subject: (mother) Re: Atom Heart has run out of gas.
On Fri, 01 Nov 1996 Gilbert ViDela critiqued:
> I own HAT and Semi Accoustic Nature. I find them both to entertain me,
> but I don't know why as they sound (as most of the RI stuff) like a
> bunch of half assed noodling around with analogue gear. I love MONO tm
> btw. Do any of you enjoy this "noodling" around programming thta seems
> not to make any sense what so ever (But that's a good thing he said).
Man, I wouldn't have it any other way. If Uwe Schmidt made
predictable, repetative songs then I would expect to hear/read criticism
from another perspective. Why stick to a patterned style of songwriting
when you can just fuck around with experimentation?
I'd have to disagree with you on itemizing his more recent works as
`noodling' though. Why not try, `non-classifiable'? Maybe what you're
hearing is not a sound you're used to... but is that a bad thing? Again,
why do what's already been done?
And on Fri, 1 Nov 1996 Mark Turner added:
> I personally enjoy all the RI releases up to BROWN. While they all sound
> similar in instrumentation, Atom Heart is stylistically restless enough
> to give each release its own individual character. On BROWN, HAT, and
> MONO TM, though, the "noodle factor" is way too high for me. There are
> no tunes to speak of, not much of a consistent groove, and there's no
> discernable progression like there is on, say, the live album (B2).
> Although I may warm up to these three after a few more listens, for the
> time being I've had about enough "noodles" in my musical diet.
I hate to pick on just one thing you've said, but `consistent groove'?
What, like 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4? Bleah! Schmidt's already done
that, and now he's moving on.
BROWN in my opinion is a masterpiece. Soooo strange and wonderful.
Very non-European/non-traditional stylings. Lotsa jazzy feel with quite a
bit of Latin spicing. Ambient freakiness abounds. Noise. Intelligent use
of `stereo'. Filled with weirndess indeed. No `tunes' on this one my
friend. Definitely worth the unusually long wait after the U.S. customs
fuck-up.
HAT is a collaboration between three people: Inoue, Hosono, and
Schmidt. This album sounds like one person recorded some music and then
sent it on to the other, who then added his own bits, and then sent it on
to the third, and then back again (wherever) for the final touches. A very
old DIY idea - tried but true. Very neat.
MONO TM is basically Uwe Schmidt vs. Matthew Herbert (aka DR ROCKITT)
- I betcha didn't know that. When I first heard this album, I was taken
aback at the sudden style-change incurred by Herr Schmidt. Then I read the
liner notes/crdits and it all made sense. This is like one of those super
hero team-ups that you never ever even thought would come together.
And on Sat, 2 Nov 1996 Tim Zeigler concluded:
> I'll second this notion that Atom Heart has run out of gas.
Run out of gas? You're missing the point - he's running on an
alternative fuel than from which everyone else is used to. Uwe Schmidt is
the epitamy of what the `I' stands for in IDM.
sag. .`--).
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evil@digital.net '
on: "Brown" by BROWN (aka... well, you know)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:28:28 -0800
From: Sean Cooper <scooper@best.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Re: Atom Heart has run out of gas.
> I'd have to disagree with you on itemizing his more recent works as
> `noodling' though. Why not try, `non-classifiable'? Maybe what you're
> hearing is not a sound you're used to... but is that a bad thing? Again,
> why do what's already been done?
have to agree. uwe's stuff is far too complex and intricate to be described
as "noodling"...self-indulgent maybe, but not noodling. as for his tunes
not going anywhere, i'm mystified by this criticism...his pieces seem to me
to go _everywhere_, to venture down several different paths simultaneously
in order to explore the limits of sense-making through music. like the
future sound of london or the best black dog, he uses genre, style, and
category as starting points, combining elements drawn from a variety of
sources until they begin to blur into something new (and, often, quite
clever). that he's able to do this while at the same time incorporating
elements of humor ("inflatable rasta wig"), joy ("copacabana palace"),
wonder ("congo"), and melancholy ("watson") never ceases to amaze me. it's
hard enough to pull this off in a way that makes sense musically let alone
communicate something extra-musical in the process...
> I hate to pick on just one thing you've said, but `consistent
> groove'? What, like 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4? Bleah! Schmidt's
> already done that, and now he's moving on.
amen. but i'd also argue that uwe _does_ work with consistent grooves, but
that he interleaves several of them in a piece, a technique he's obviously
borrowed from jazz, funk, and (old school) hip-hop. much dance-based music
works on the principle of forward motion, usually to the exclusion of
dynamics and lateral development. uwe instead uses breaks (like the break
of a jazz tune...breaking it down in hip-hop or electro) in order to make
music that spreads out into more than one dimension (the dimension, all too
often, of the 4/4 beat), music that is compositional, and therefore very
listenable. and like jungle, he often makes sense of these various rhythmic
directions by combining them in complex patterns that shift and converge
with the other elements of the piece (harmony, melody, basslines, etc.).
it's not quite polyrhythm, but it's a level of complexity that is
nonetheless very focused, and also (again, like jungle) quite musical once
you grock its logic...something like hyperrhythm.
> HAT is a collaboration between three people: Inoue, Hosono, and
> Schmidt. This album sounds like one person recorded some music and then
> sent it on to the other, who then added his own bits, and then sent it on
> to the third, and then back again (wherever) for the final touches. A
> very old DIY idea - tried but true. Very neat.
i assumed that was how this album was done as well, but i asked tetsu how
they recorded it and it's my understanding it was done with all three of
them present (mostly at hosono's), in the studio, jamming...this album is
incredibly dense and, to my ears, one of the most advanced and integrated
(in terms of overall composition) documents of the rhythmic process i
described above. it sounds incredibly improvisational, but without the
ruddiness and occasionally irritating looseness of some of the lct stuff...
> MONO TM is basically Uwe Schmidt vs. Matthew Herbert (aka DR ROCKITT)
have you been able to confirm this or are you drawing conclusions here
based on the "produced by mch" bit (and the presence of hal and clair's
names in the thank you's)?... faraway from the fact that _mono_ sounds
nothing like _ready to rockit_, "d is for docktor," "swingtime," or any of
his herbert stuff on phono, i did a bunch of research on herbert for a bio
i wrote for a music book and no mention of his working with uwe was made in
articles/interviews in xlr8r and the wire (despite other discussions of
collaborative works)... also, the original ri press release made no mention
of herbert's involvement (although that could be for contractual
reasons)... if indeed you are drawing a conclusion, consider the
possibility that mch = mc heart (ya' know, mc, like mc shan... hip-hop,
electro... forget it)...
> When I first heard this album, I was taken aback at the sudden style-
> change incurred by Herr Schmidt. Then I read the liner notes/crdits and
> it all made sense. This is like one of those super hero team-ups that
> you never ever even thought would come together.
sudden style change?! this is the album teep described as "treading water,"
and while i don't agree with him it definitely comes off as a distillation
of the electro influence of his previous three or four albums. i hate to
play champion here, but electro (along with jazz) is probably the single
biggest constituent element of the last couple years of uwe's work (and i
would definitely suggest to all a familiarity with the history of electro,
as well as jazz and the classical avant-garde, in coming to grips with
uwe's music). it hardly seems surprising that he'd do an album focusing on
this element (particular since _silver sound_ and _bass_ sorta did the same
for jazz...).
as for uwe running out of gas, this is absurd. looking at just his last
four albums--_hat_, _mono_, _brown_, and _built_--you find vastly different
ground being covered on each...and looking at just his most recent,
_built_, you find one of the most inspired mutations of style in the ri
catalog. i've already tooted at length about this album, but i'll say again
that the narrative and thematics...the range of emotions and ideas...the
complex lines drawn to connect such disparate fragments of sound and
style...few of uwe's previous releases match _built_'s accomplishment in
these areas...
in a related story, i'm becoming increasingly interested in the continuing
possibilities of collaboration where uwe is concerned, as they often lead
to works of genius (_built_, _mu_, _hat_). some i'd like to see:
1. patrick pulsinger
2. naohiro fujikawa (bisk)
3. kobat
4. david moufang
5. jammin' unit (air liquide)
6. berndt friedmann (nonplace urban field)
7. kingsuk biswas (bedouin ascent)
done...sorry.
sc
onnow: the bowling green : the mettle ep (more required listening for uwe
fanatics...the influence grows...)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 16:28:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.com>, Atom Heart list <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Re: (idm) Re: Atom Heart has run out of gas.
Mark Turner wrote:
> Personally, I would like to see Atom Heart experiment more with different
> instruments and/or textures, rather than trying to get more complicated
> with his programming. Fucking up the rhythms to the point that there
> *is* no rhythm is an intellectual exercise but artistically a dead end.
I agree with the first sentence. In fact I said more-or-less that in my
last letter. I suspect a certain laziness is a factor -- that is, hearing
the material I get the impression he thinks more in terms of structure and
programming than sound design. And, to be fair, unless you are arbitrary
about it, sound design can take a lot of time. (I can't tell you how much
time I spend waiting for MIDI sample dumps.)
I disagree, though, with your thoughts on rhythm. Music, unfortunately, is
under Disco Lockdown. Rhythm in the service of dance. When you use a
rhythm that in any way resembles a groove, people want a groove. A steady
rhythm is perhaps the cornerstone of all popular music. It is probably
only all the 4-on-the-floor material which even gave Atom Heart the
opportunity now to stretch rhythmically and to be able to release the
material.
If anything, I think the rhythms on _Brown_ and some of _Machine Paisley_
for example are in a somewhat uncomfortable middle ground, with groove
implied but skewed. I think most people get caught up in the implication
of groove, and the music fails at something it wasn't trying to do. (Like
criticizing hip-hop for lack of melody and harmony.)
I suspect that abandoning groove in an ambient/techno context would yield
wonderful results. Layer different meters, approach rhythm in a painterly
way and disregard or subvert the 4/4 grid. It's difficult to avoid the
usual rhythmic patterns. So the art-music scene has been working a half-
century to devise various ways to organize coherent rhythms which don't
center on pulse.
Anyway, I thank you because you've inadvertently given me an idea that may
have a lot of promise (artistically if not commercially).
--Mark
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:27:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Cc: info@ink19.com
Subject: (mother) review (very short) - "Flowerhead" by Datacide
Ugh.
I was flipping through the local monthly alternamusic paper (called
_Ink Nineteen_), and came upon a rather short and pathetic review of
DATACIDE's album "Flowerhead". Being that this publication seems to just
love everything they review (read: send more free cds), I guess they had to
reach their electronic music quota somehow. Anyway, I shouldn't write any
more as this is becoming longer than the review itself:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
DATACIDE
Flowerhead
Asphodel
Enclosed on "Flowerhead" are five ambient tracks done in a true ambient
manner. Throughout the hour-plus of listening the sounds are at times
barely there, fading in and out again and again, introducing new elements
and then stealing them away again. There are certain themes that run for
awhile, but they're never allowed to go stale, instead evolving into
something else. This album serves well as an ambient backdrop, but also
manages to keep my interest and inspire me. Highly recommended. Beautiful
cover art too...
Asphodel, P.O. Box 51, Chesea Station, New York, NY 10113
-- Louis Goldman
Ink Nineteen
November 1996
page 23
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Bleah. How generic can you get? .`--).
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on: "Octopus 2" by Charles "Dances With Eewoks" Uzzell-Edwards
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:40:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Re: Atom Heart has run out of gas (fwd)
Gasp.
More opinions from the IDM front:
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 01:22:17 +1100
From: Chris Tourgelis <ctourgel@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: idm@hyperreal.com
Subject: (idm) Re: idm V1 #816 Re: Atom Heart has run out of gas
From: Deckard <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
> > I'll second this notion that Atom Heart has run out of gas. Maybe he
> > ought to take a vacation.
>
> Hmmm... For a musician as prolific as Atom Heart, it's inevitable that
> some of the things he releases are going to sound a little outlandish and
> inaccessible *even* to people who pride themselves on listening to odd
> sorts of music. Atom Heart releases whole albums when others have
> finished one song. Saying he's run out of gas just means he's exploring
> more areas then you have interest in. The solution to this problem is
> rather simple: just buy the releases by Atom Heart that fit yer fancey.
> You'll still prolly have plenty of his stuff to investigate...
I'm right with Deckard and Chris on this. I used to pride myself on
listening to odd sorts of music but when I bought my first Atom Heart discs
- Flextone and Morphogenetic Fields - I was disappointed. With the
exception of the acid house tracks on the CDs, I thought the rest sounded
like...noodling! Needless to say, my opinion eventually reversed. Atom
Heart's one main consistency is his power to confound one's expectations
with each brilliant release.
I'm afraid I'm quite partial to the work of prolific artists such as Mr
Schmidt. I find the idea that an artist should release only one measly
album a year by his or her label, so as to avoid flooding the market,
somewhat dishonest considering the power and limitations (I have never been
greatly imressed by "live" electronic music) of the medium - even when the
artist in question agrees to the process. Take, for example (and this is
just an example - I do like his music), Aphex Twin's refusal to release the
Caustic Window LP because he doesn't like the tracks anymore: why doesn't
he just own up to the fact that that's the best he could do at the time and
make his fans happy? There really is no such thing as perfect art.
Ah well, there's always the brave new Atom Heart, Richard Kirk, Bill
Laswell, Pete Namlook, or Mick Harris CD.
Pip pip!
--
Chris Tourgelis
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:29:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Deckard <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: idm@hyperreal.com
Subject: (idm) Re: Atom Heart has...gas
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Chris Tourgelis wrote:
> I'm afraid I'm quite partial to the work of prolific artists such as Mr
> Schmidt. I find the idea that an artist should release only one measly
> album anyear by his or her label, so as to avoid flooding the market,
> somewhat dishonest considering the power and limitations (I have never
> been greatly imressed by "live" electronic music) of the medium - even
> when the artist in question agrees to the process.
I just got B2: Atom Heart live in Barcelona & Berlin.
damn...DAMN... is this disc a pure function of trancey pleasure
...or what?
What kind of transhumanist *programs* his drum sequences *as* he gauges
his crowd?!? Ok, so the tracks are 35 & 20 minutes long, which gives him
some time, but STILL, he programmed the stuff on the spot and it's much
better than 90-95% of the "acid/trance/goa/etc" that i hear people
hollerin' about all the time... AND he likes Floyd...
no@h
. . . . . . ...
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:47:49 -0500
From: GD <g-d@worldnet.att.net>
To: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.com>
Subject: Re: (idm) Re: Atom Heart has run out of gas.
Mark Kolmar wrote:
> I suspect that abandoning groove in an ambient/techno context would yield
> wonderful results. Layer different meters, approach rhythm in a
> painterly way and disregard or subvert the 4/4 grid. It's difficult to
> avoid the usual rhythmic patterns. So the art-music scene has been
> working a half-century to devise various ways to organize coherent
> rhythms which don't center on pulse.
I agree with this - it seems that there is little experimentation with more
complex rhythms and time signatures in the majority of electronica out
there, despite the rhythmic innovation spawned by jungle. There are
several tracks within the idm arena, though, which hint at more complex
grooves:
1. Gescom - Key Nell track F2
2. Aphex Twin - Vaz Deferenz
3. Basic Channel - Radiance II
4. Squarepusher - Significant Others
One significant feature of several of these tracks is the use of triplet
sixteenth and triplet eighth notes, which are rarely used in electronica -
they pop up occasionally as a snare fill on jungle tracks, but are hardly
ever used to form a consistant rhythm. Can anyone think of any other
tracks that use triplets extensively?
GD
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:15:16 +1100
From: Chris Tourgelis <ctourgel@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: idm@hyperreal.com
Subject: (idm) Re: idm V1 #818 (Atom Heart has run out of gas).
On Nov 5, 12:34pm, Mark Turner wrote:
> Personally, I would like to see Atom Heart experiment more with different
> instruments and/or textures, rather than trying to get more complicated
> with his programming.
Well, that would be putting your own aesthetic priorities before that of
the artist's: eg. "I liked Bladerunner, but there weren't enough jokes". I
do agree with your sentiment, but who am I to judge how an artist should
experiment or what he should say as a result?
> Fucking up the rhythms to the point that there *is* no rhythm is an
> intellectual exercise but artistically a dead end. IMHO. ;-)
I guess admitting to this would make me a bit of a geek, but I actually
found myself grooving and playing air-drums to H.A.T. last night. {:-]
--
Chris Tourgelis
np: Transonic 2
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 01:17:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) I need a photo of Dandy Jack.
Um.
Is there an image of the DANDY JACK cd on RI anywhere? Is it on the
RI page, Will? Maybe something on the FAX page? If someone could send me
the address(es) that would be great. That guy who saw AH down in Chile
wants to id the other guys Uwe was playing out with (as compared to any
picture of DJ).
Oh, and what's DJ's real name? Martin something...?
kcaj. .`--).
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on: "Sato Yumiko" by ELFISH ECHO
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 08:12:37 -0500
From: Ian Koss <ikoss@ink19.com>
To: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>,
ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>,
Ian Koss <ikoss@ink19.com>
Subject: (mother) Re: review (very short) - "Flowerhead" by Datacide
Christopher--
> Being that this publication seems to just love everything they review
> (read: send more free cds)
We get about 400-500 records a month, and only have room for about 150
reviews; we do not actively seek "more free CDs," as it only contributes to
the problem. One of the solutions we have is to use that limited space for
reviews that actually accomplish something -- that turn people onto music
they might like -- instead of bashing indiscriminately, which I feel is a
waste of print space given the fact that there are a lot of records out
there already which people aren't buying.
My apologies if the review didn't meet your standards, but Louis was the
only person on our staff willing to review the record, and he wrote down
his thoughts about it, albeit from the standpoint of someone not familiar
with the band. While this might disgust a connossieur such as yourself, it
will probably work well to introduce someone as unfamiliar with the music
as Louis... which means maybe Datacide will sell a few more records, and
perhaps there will be a few more pathetic newbies to your clique.
Frankly, I wish more people who knew what they were talking about chose to
write for the magazine, rather than about it. But as I've sadly found,
knowledge does not necessarily imply the ambition to do anything with it.
--Ian Koss
===========================================
Ink Nineteen New Music Magazine
music + culture + tech
ikoss@ink19.com
===========================================
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:33:55 -0500
From: William Perez <will@panix.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) I need a photo of Dandy Jack.
Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net> wrote:
> Is there an image of the DANDY JACK cd on RI anywhere? Is it on the RI
> page, Will? Maybe something on the FAX page?
yes on the Rather Interesting discography you can find the cover (and extra
artwork if the picture has a link) for every CD including Dandy Jack which
has a picture of him. I just updated these pages to include info for
Paranoid, +N and the new Datacide as well as making the graphics look a lot
cleaner and smaller in file size wherever possible.
http://www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/rather_interesting/index.html
I realize this page is slightly heavy on the graphics and hyperreal can be
slow so if you just want the cover to Dandy Jack, try
http://www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/rather_interesting/dandy.jpg
Do you folks think I should take out the CD cover artwork and make seperate
pages for each CD? I'm realizing that eventually there will be so many RI
CDs that there will be too many graphics to have on just one page.
I also added a few tidbits to the standard Atom Heart discography. I
reformatted the table and threw in one of Uwe's favorite colors as well as
a few new sounds (look for the links).
http://www.hyperreal.com/music/artists/atom_heart/index.html
thanks & enjoy
/ / / / / / mailto:will@panix.com
(_/__/ / (__ (__ http://hyperreal.com/~will/
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:06:38 -0800
From: Sean Cooper <scooper@best.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Re: review (very short) - "Flowerhead" by Datacide
> My apologies if the review didn't meet your standards, but Louis was the
> only person on our staff willing to review the record, and he wrote down
> his thoughts about it, albeit from the standpoint of someone not familiar
> with the band. While this might disgust a connossieur such as yourself,
> it will probably work well to introduce someone as unfamiliar with the
> music as Louis... which means maybe Datacide will sell a few more
> records, and perhaps there will be a few more pathetic newbies to your
> clique.
oops!..hehe...well, just let me add that i personally was glad to see the
review (although i'm not familiar with the mag). although it may not have
been the best written or most probing excavation of the album's aesthetic
psyche etc, simply by showing up in an otherwise "alt" mag it created the
possibility of a new audience for what we all agree is a great record.
this music needs all the help it can get...keep up the good work, ian.
sc
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:14:05 -0800
From: charles uzzell-edwards <faxlabel@sirius.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) I need a photo of Dandy Jack.
> Oh, and what's DJ's real name? Martin something...?
yes, he's the one telling the discoteque story on datacide ondas....
respects c . u . e .
f a x l a b e l u . s . a .
8 7 e t h e l a v e n u e # 2 ,
m i l l v a l l e y .
c a l i f o r n i a 9 4 9 4 1 .
4 1 5 3 8 3 7 9 9 0
** newly updated burning man stuff http://www.sirius.com/~faxlabel/
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 12:56:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Eric Frans <franse@engr.arizona.edu>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) I need a photo of Dandy Jack.
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, William Perez wrote:
} Do you folks think I should take out the CD cover artwork and make
} seperate pages for each CD? I'm realizing that eventually there will be
} so many RI CDs that there will be too many graphics to have on just one
} page.
Yeah, I think that might be a good idea. That way we have to only wait for
brief periods of time for info/graphics on the CD we're interested in.
Plus like you said, with Uwe's prolific nature the one page might start to
get overwhelming fairly soon. 8)
By the way, great work on that page! I've used it to sort through the CDs
and figure out which ones really peak my interest -- so far, _Mono TM_ and
_HAT_. I'm thinking about getting _VSVN_, _Dandy Jack & The Cosmic
Trousers_, _Brown_, or _Semiacoustic Nature_ next.
______________E_r_i_c___F_r_a_n_s______________
[mail]----------------->franse@engr.arizona.edu
[web]->http://intermix.engr.arizona.edu/~franse
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:23:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To: Ian Koss <ikoss@ink19.com>
Cc: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: Re: (mother) Re: review (very short) - "Flowerhead" by Datacide
Ian Koss writes:
> for reviews that actually accomplish something -- that turn people onto
> music they might like -- instead of bashing indiscriminately, which I
> feel is a waste of print space given the fact that there are a lot of
I also see no point in trying to turn people off records, when there's so
much to recommend.
> records, and perhaps there will be a few more pathetic newbies to your
> clique.
You're out of line, buddy. If you don't get the reaction you want, you
can't expect to gain anything by lashing out to your audience. But see
below.
> Frankly, I wish more people who knew what they were talking about chose
> to write for the magazine, rather than about it. But as I've sadly found,
> knowledge does not necessarily imply the ambition to do anything with it.
If other writers for the magazine don't get paid, you have permission to
use any reviews I post here, for free, if you give me the chance to revise
and edit first. If other writers get paid, contact me if you want to work
something out.
--Mark Kolmar
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:21:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Re: review (very short) - "Flowerhead" by Datacide
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:39:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: Ian Koss <ikoss@ink19.com>
Subject: Electronic Music.
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Ian Koss wrote:
> My apologies if the review didn't meet your standards, but Louis was the
> only person on our staff willing to review the record, and he wrote down
> his thoughts about it, albeit from the standpoint of someone not familiar
> with the band. While this might disgust a connossieur such as yourself,
> it will probably work well to introduce someone as unfamiliar with the
> music as Louis... which means maybe Datacide will sell a few more
> records, and perhaps there will be a few more pathetic newbies to your
> clique.
It's not neccessarily the length of the review that set me off, but
rather what little was said about it. It was so vague. Basically what
review he did give could have been substituted for pretty much any
lackluster ambient album out there. To me and everyone on the ATOM HEART
list, this particular album is one of the best. More substance could have
been added.
Ok - given I probably assumed that the reviewer would try to do a
little research on (or at least heard of) ATOM HEART, but that was a
mistake on my part. ATOM HEART (aka DATACIDE) has released over sixty
full-length albums, and there is much more to him and this particular disc
than what Louis had said. It's just that there was another AH-related that
was reviewed in your magazine a month or so back which basically had the
same thing to say.
> Frankly, I wish more people who knew what they were talking about chose
> to write for the magazine, rather than about it. But as I've sadly found,
> knowledge does not necessarily imply the ambition to do anything with it.
Ok then Ian, I live in Tampa and would like to be a reviewer for your
magazine. One reason I made that post to the list was to point out the
lack of interest of local alternazines' to electronic music. I know you've
probably heard this before, but I am totally sincere in my criticism.
Nearly everything I ever read in _Ink Nineteen_, _Weekly Planet_, and _Jam_
(or whatever they're called now) are guitar-oriented reviews.
I'd also like to point out that when i talk about `electronic music',
I am not referring to the stuff they play in clubs but rather the kind of
stuff that would have absolutely no chance *ever* being played in clubs.
So, would you be interested? I would.
Please let me know what you think.
ssok. .`--).
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 20:25:56 -0500
From: Ian Koss <ikoss@ink19.com>
To: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
Subject: Re: review (very short) - "Flowerhead" by Datacide (fwd)
Chris--
(condensing replies to both your missives...)
> although it may not have been the best written or most probing excavation
> of the album's aesthetic psyche etc, simply by showing up in an otherwise
> "alt" mag it created the possibility of a new audience for what we all
> agree is a great record.
Which is exactly why I ran it. I'd agree with you in that the review is
vague; personally, I don't have the discrimation for most ambient/
electronic music (though I do have it elsewhere), so I have to trust the
writer's interpretations on most of these, and hope that they did whatever
research would be necessary.
And I apologize if I lashed out -- the "free CDs" comment irked me plenty.
After doing this for over five years, the free CD perks have lost their
lustre... probably because each one is followed by a "will you review my
CD?" call, for which the answer is probably "no."
I recognize the magazine's shortcomings (vagueness and amateur writing
being one of them), but most of the time I have to live with them for what
I perceive to be the Greater Good.
Anyway, Mark Kolmar might start submitting some reviews to the magazine
from all of this, so things are looking up. Thanks for at least CC:ing me
on your initial comments and letting me have my say.
And in your other message...
> Ok - given I probably assumed that the reviewer would try to do a little
> research on (or at least heard of) ATOM HEART, but that was a mistake on
> my part. ATOM HEART (aka DATACIDE) has released over sixty full-length
> albums,
Did not know that. When we started doing this, I would try to get a handle
on the records we would receive, but that is a physical impossibility now
that we're getting 15-20 records a day. The best I can do is hope
oversights like this don't happen... but they still do.
> Ok then Ian, I live in Tampa and would like to be a reviewer for your
> magazine. One reason I made that post to the list was to point out the
> lack of interest of local alternazines' to electronic music.
As chief Editor, I run Ink Nineteen as a collective, which means that the
magazine's content is determined mostly by its writers; i.e. I don't
"assign" records to people, instead letting them pick out what interests
them. As a result, Ink Nineteen has a fairly wide variety of music, despite
the absence of electronic artists/titles. I can honestly say that (this
latest issue as an example), not many magazines in our strata will run
stories on Robyn Hitchcock, Laibach, the Red Aunts and Silver Jews
concurrently. If you (and others like Mark Kolmar) wish to write
intelligently about the genre, well forget about it because it doesn't have
guitars. Just kidding. Actually, I welcome it with open arms. Let me know
what you have in mind, and I'm sure we can work it out.
--Ian
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 01:21:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) My impressions on "Built".
Wow.
What an amazing surprise this disc is! It's partially like listening
to a RESIDENTS album, but without the vocals (some of the tracks). Very
very strange indeed. With all of that talk about Uwe trying something
different...
...well ok, I know this is probably mainly Victor Sol's and Niko
Heyduck's (aka AERIAL SERVICE AREA) doing, but it's great regardless. Oh,
and I noticed that in the liner notes it credits Chris Watson. Didn't he
used to be in CABARET VOLTAIRE or something? Neat.
tliub. .`--).
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:53:24 -0700 (MST)
From: Eric Frans <franse@engr.arizona.edu>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: Re: (mother) My impressions on "Built".
On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Christopher Miller wrote:
} What an amazing surprise this disc is! It's partially like
} listening to a RESIDENTS album, but without the vocals (some of the
} tracks). Very very strange indeed. With all of that talk about Uwe
} trying something different...
}
} ...well ok, I know this is probably mainly Victor Sol's and Niko
} Heyduck's (aka AERIAL SERVICE AREA) doing, but it's great regardless.
} Oh, and I noticed that in the liner notes it credits Chris Watson.
} Didn't he used to be in CABARET VOLTAIRE or something? Neat.
Hmm... This sounds like something to look into. Yet another one that I'd
like to buy from Uwe & Co.
Yeah, I'm fairly sure Chris Watson was in the early version of Cabaret
Voltaire. Then he moved on to Hafler Trio I think. The last I heard he
did some sort of environmental album of nature sounds and what-not. Both
Chris Watson and Uwe Schmidt are on the move...
______________E_r_i_c___F_r_a_n_s______________
[mail]----------------->franse@engr.arizona.edu
[web]->http://intermix.engr.arizona.edu/~franse
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 03:32:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Aqua Regis <dogstar@iac.net>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) My impressions on "Built".
On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Christopher Miller wrote:
> ...well ok, I know this is probably mainly Victor Sol's and Niko
> Heyduck's (aka AERIAL SERVICE AREA) doing, but it's great regardless.
> Oh, and I noticed that in the liner notes it credits Chris Watson.
> Didn't he used to be in CABARET VOLTAIRE or something? Neat.
i remember reading something on the ambient list about how Uwe really likes
Chris Watson's new album called Stepping Into the Dark (on Touch i
believe). he may have also used it for same samples...
VSVN ARAB
vsvnarab@3-cities.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:16:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: Re: (mother) My impressions on "Built".
> (aka AERIAL SERVICE AREA) doing, but it's great regardless. Oh, and I
> noticed that in the liner notes it credits Chris Watson. Didn't he used
> to be in CABARET VOLTAIRE or something? Neat.
Chris Watson was a member of Cabaret Voltaire from the beginning through
about late '81 or sometime in '82. He left to work in telephony, I think.
He also worked early on with The Hafler Trio -- H3O's 1st record, _Bang:
An Open Letter_, was originally released on Cabaret Voltaire's long-defunct
Doublevision label. I don't think Watson was involved much after that ('84
I believe). He was always interested in sound recording more than musical
composition.
--Mark
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:29:45 -0800
From: David Jones <djones@jfku.edu>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) Datacide:Flowerhead original spotted...
If anyone wants the original RI release, Drop Beat in Oakland has a used
copy for $10. Call them at (510) 654-0992 or contact them via the page at
http://www.dropbeat.com
This is not in their online catalog as none of the used stuff is.
--
David "Mr. Info" Jones
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:36:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Re: uwe bouillabaisse
Damn. Wayway back on Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Sean Cooper wondered:
> what are those little numerical voice sythesizer bits at the end of
> _silver sound_, _bass_, and _machine paisley_ all about, and why have
> they dissappeared from subsequent releases (well, just _hat_; haven't
> heard _mono tm_ yet)? at first i thought they were some sort of numerical
> index of macos releases, or maybe the number of albums uwe himself has
> put out...but then it's not on _hat_...maybe just solo albums?...what's
> the scoop?
Ok well, at the end of each of these discs Uwe's mac sings:
SILVER SOUND ....................... "one hundred and one"
REAL INTELLIGENCE ....................... "one hundred and two"
BASS ....................... "one hundred and three"
MACHINE PAISLEY ....................... "one hundred and four"
BROWN ....................... "one hundred and five"
Drop the "one hundred" part from each of these and you get "one",
"two", "three", "four", and "five". Add these leftovers together and you
get "fifteen":
MONO TM ....................... "one hundred and fifteen"
^^^^^^^
Oh, and the catalogue-number for MONO TM is RI 038 right? Add
"fifteen" to the catalogue-number of the very first RI release, and you get
"thirty-eight".
So far so good, right? Well, if this one (below) was RI 040 instead
of RI 039, I would be able to figure out another possible numerical
riddle... but I'm stumped. Ugh.
+N ....................... "one hundred and seventeen"
^^^^^^^^^
But if you count the number of RI releases there are as of "Built",
you will get... (gasp) "seventeen". And to add even more numerogical
bewilderment, `she' vocodes the above *during* (and not after) the last
track - which just so happens to be #23.
Although (as if I haven't taken a wild enough stretch already), if you
look at the amount of releases which were skipped by this strange sequence,
there are "two" of them (DANDY JACK and HAT). Add this particular number
to the call-number for MONO TM and you get exactly what "seventeen" and
"twenty-three" come out to.
neetneves. .`--).
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on: "Built" by +N
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:57:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Re: Atom Heart live in Santiago
Thanks guys.
I forwarded the RI page's address to our buddy in Chile, and here's
what he had to say:
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:40:31 -0400 (AST)
From: "Tim Fothegill F. Ciencias Dpto. Biologia"
<fothegil@abello.dic.uchile.cl>
Subject: Re: Atom Heart live in Santiago
Chris
Having seen the jpeg it probably was Dandy Jack that was with them. Do you
know who the other German was?
Tim
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Christopher Miller wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Tim Fothegill F. Ciencias Dpto. Biologia wrote:
>
> > If you know of a URL where I might find a photo of Mr Jack I will be
> > happy to tell you if, in fact, it was Dandy Jack.
>
> Try this (it's the front cover of the DANDY JACK cd):
>
> > http://www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/rather_interesting/dandy.jpg
>
> lru.
> .`--).
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:26:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) Re: My impressions on "Built".
On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Aqua Regis noted:
> i remember reading something on the ambient list about how Uwe really
> likes Chris Watson's new album called Stepping Into the Dark (on Touch i
> believe). he may have also used it for same samples...
...and amazingly enough, in the liner notes of "Built": "Please buy
Chris Watson's cd `Stepping Into The Dark' (Touch via Semaphore) Cat. No.
TD:27. Published by Touch Music (MCPS)".
Has anyone heard it?
nostaw. .`--).
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 01:12:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Re: Atom Heart has run out of gas.
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:47:49 -0500
From: GD <g-d@worldnet.att.net>
To: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.com>
Subject: Re: (idm) Atom Heart has run out of gas.
Mark Kolmar wrote:
> I suspect that abandoning groove in an ambient/techno context would yield
> wonderful results. Layer different meters, approach rhythm in a
> painterly way and disregard or subvert the 4/4 grid. It's difficult to
> avoid the usual rhythmic patterns. So the art-music scene has been
> working a half-century to devise various ways to organize coherent
> rhythms which don't center on pulse.
I agree with this - it seems that there is little experimentation with more
complex rhythms and time signatures in the majority of electronica out
there, despite the rhythmic innovation spawned by jungle. There are
several tracks within the idm arena, though, which hint at more complex
grooves:
1. Gescom - Key Nell track F2
2. Aphex Twin - Vaz Deferenz
3. Basic Channel - Radiance II
4. Squarepusher - Significant Others
One significant feature of several of these tracks is the use of triplet
sixteenth and triplet eighth notes, which are rarely used in electronica -
they pop up occasionally as a snare fill on jungle tracks, but are hardly
ever used to form a consistant rhythm. Can anyone think of any other
tracks that use triplets extensively?
GD
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:10:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Deckard <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Re: uwe bouillabaisse
On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Christopher Miller wrote:
> Ok well, at the end of each of these discs Uwe's mac sings:
> SILVER SOUND ....................... "one hundred and one"
> REAL INTELLIGENCE ....................... "one hundred and two"
> BASS ....................... "one hundred and three"
> MACHINE PAISLEY ....................... "one hundred and four"
> BROWN ....................... "one hundred and five"
i think maybe r.i. & BASS are th' other way around... ;)
. . . . . . ...
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 __:__:__ -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) lead - AH Fax titles (auction)
Hey Y'all.
Right at this very moment there is FAX auction going on (but isn't
there always?). Anyway, throughout the list I noticed quite a bit of AH-
related titles (with only a $15 bid being the highest out of the lot).
They are:
Jet Chamber (PK08/102), Coeur Atomique (PS08/27), Atom Heart "Orange"
(PS08/36), Atom Heart - "live at sel i/s/c" (PS08/41), +N "plane"
(PS08/46), Softcore (PS08/53), and Aerial Service Area (PS08/58)
No DATACIDE though - apparently someone got it before the bids
started.
To get the list in its entirety or to place an offer, e-mail Roy
SeGuine <rseguine@rmharris.com>, or you can check out the page (which he
has listed) at: http://www.clark.net/pub/fax/. Oh and to note, this is
the same auction as the `Jonathan Takagi's FAX Auction' list you may have
seen floating around.
igakat. .`--).
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:10:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) lead - R.I. subscription service.
Cool.
Here's something I didn't know about before now... EAR/Rational
supposedly has this `subscription service' whereby subscribers get each new
R.I. release as it comes out for $13.50 postpaid. What a great deal! If
you're interested, e-mail Dave for more information, at:
EAR/Rational Music <ear@xmission.com>
noitpircsbus. .`--).
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:01:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: Re: (mother) Re: uwe bouillabaisse
I suspect the numbers at the end of the discs correspond to the numbers on
the release list. They are definitely in the right range.
--Mark
__ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> ==> MPEG audio clips <==
M U S I C : W E B : S O U N D D E S I G N : H T M L : C G I : E T C
"The fact their parents have separated doesn't disturb the children.
They go on looking at television. How old should they be before they
smoke marijuana? No one seems to know." (John Cage)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:32:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Re: Chris Watson
On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Christopher Miller wrote:
> ...and amazingly enough, in the liner notes of "Built": "Please buy
> Chris Watson's cd `Stepping Into The Dark' (Touch via Semaphore) Cat.
> No. TD:27. Published by Touch Music (MCPS)".
>
> Has anyone heard it?
Yes. Read <http://www.touch.demon.co.uk/cwat.htm> for more information.
Everything I'd say, and plenty more, is on that web page.
--Mark
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:17:32 -0500
From: William Perez <will@panix.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) Real Intelligence II
Rather Interesting Presents: Real Intelligence II
The second Rather Interesting compilation entitled Real Intelligence II
features the best or maybe just the most innovative tunes from R.I.'s 1996
releases. Starting off with Dandy Jack's "Binal True" via Machine Paisley,
Brown and the collaborated projects like "Hat" (H. Hosono, Tetsu Inoue, A.
Heart), +N (with Victor Sol) and "Datacide", Real Intelligence II gives a
highly enjoyble insight in the labels recent activities. For all those who
are waiting fop some new R.I. sounds, there are three previously unreleased
tracks to be found on the CD called "Natural Blur", "Crane Spotting" and
"Intel Inside". All three of them may be specified as organic, sometimes
jazz influenced highly complex pieces of music which are beyond the
established parameters of electronic sound.
Artist: Various
Title: Real Intelligence II
Label: Rather Interesting
Cat#: RI041
Format: CD <72 min.>
Release Date: 1/97
Distributor: EMC Distribution Service
Tracklisting: 01. Binal True (Dandy Jack)
02. Copacabana Palace (Machine Paisley)
03. Male Box (Brown)
04. Organic Mango (Hat)
05. "E" Stands For Electro (Mono Tm)
06. Wook Danube (+N)
07. Stepeo Kiss (Datacide)
08. Natupal Blup (Bonus Track)
09. Crane Spotting (Bonus Track)
10. Intel Inside (Bonus Track)
/ / / / / / mailto:will@panix.com
(_/__/ / (__ (__ http://hyperreal.com/~will/
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:48:05 -0800
From: Sean Cooper <scooper@best.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Real Intelligence II
what, no vinyl?!!!!!
sc
onnow: vidna obmana : memories compiled (disc 1) (relics)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:12:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Cc: bleep bloop <idm@hyperreal.com>
Subject: (mother) Re: Atom Heart has run out of gas.
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Sean Cooper wrote:
> > MONO TM is basically Uwe Schmidt vs. Matthew Herbert (aka DR
> > ROCKIT)
>
> have you been able to confirm this or are you drawing conclusions here
> based on the "produced by mch" bit (and the presence of hal and clair's
> names in the thank you's)?...
(gulp)
Actually Sean, yeah I guess I was just making a bold assumption...
> faraway from the fact that _mono_ sounds nothing like _ready to rockit_,
> "d is for docktor," "swingtime," or any of his herbert stuff on phono, i
> did a bunch of research on herbert for a bio i wrote for a music book and
> no mention of his working with uwe was made in articles/interviews in
> xlr8r and the wire (despite other discussions of collaborative
> works)...also, the original ri press release made no mention of herbert's
> involvement (although that could be for contractual reasons)...if indeed
> you are drawing a conclusion, consider the possibility that mch = mc
> heart (ya' know, mc, like mc shan...hip-hop, electro...forget it)...
... what I was basing it on was that Matthew Herbert has done a remix
on the new ATOM HEART single, "Apart". I figured (sorry) that they hooked-
up for a collaborative album as well [MONO TM]. I mean, what does
`produced' infer anyway when it comes to electronic music?
And no (gulp again), I've not yet heard any DR ROCKIT.
> > When I first heard this album, I was taken aback at the sudden style-
> > change incurred by Herr Schmidt.
>
> sudden style change?! this is the album teep described as "treading
> water," and while i don't agree with him it definitely comes off as a
> distillation of the electro influence of his previous three or four
> albums. i hate to play champion here, but electro (along with jazz) is
> probably the single biggest constituent element of the last couple years
> of uwe's work (and i would definitely suggest to all a familiarity with
> the history of electro, as well as jazz and the classical avant-garde, in
> coming to grips with uwe's music). it hardly seems surprising that he'd
> do an album focusing on this element (particular since _silver sound_ and
> _bass_ sorta did the same for jazz...).
I see MONO TM (stylistically) as music you would hear throbbing
outwards from someone's lowrider - like old-school hip-hop or even MC 900
FT JESUS. Lots of beaty bass, but used in a different way than Uwe usually
does it (the songs I'm talking about in particular are "Greetings From
Planet Knowledge" and "Arhythmattack"). A lot more samples too. Ok, there
have been a few tracks on other albums (BASS, most notably) which have the
same feel, but not to the extent of being an entire album's theme.
Personally (I also don't agree with Aran - so there), I really really
dig this album. I'm probably digging myself into a hole with this opinion
though. Oh, and what in the hell is `electro' anyway? Yipes.
ortcele. .`--).
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:17:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) lead - R.I. cds for sale
Hi.
This was on the Ambient list yesterday:
---------- Forwarded Message ---------
From: Edward Sokhyon Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:17:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: (amb) Rather interesting CD FS
REAL INTELLIGENCE: Rather Interesting Compilation $10
track listing:
Alaska : Flextone
Seaweed : Dots
VSVN #3 : VSVN
Flowerhead : Datacide
My Life as a ZipFile : Interactive Music
Rather Sleep than DAnce : Masters of Psychedelic Ambiance
Stac! : Semiacoustic Nature
Congo : Silver Sounds
K-Jam : Bass
Eigen Value : Real Intelligence (unreleased)
Clear File : Real Intelligence (unreleased)
+N : Built (Rather Intersting) $10
shipping $1.25 in the US
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:21:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) Re: uwe bouillabaisse
On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Deckard corrected:
> > REAL INTELLIGENCE ....................... "one hundred and two"
> > BASS ....................... "one hundred and three"
>
> i think maybe r.i. & BASS are th' other way around... ;)
Yeah you're right of course, Noah. Doh!
What did you guys think of my hypothesis/rant though?
Oh and if you put MONO TM on `repeat'... at the end of it where she
says "one hundred and fifteen", it goes right into what the guy is saying
at the very beginning of "Welcome To Planet Knowledge". Weird.
haon. .`--).
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:26:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Uwe can't fool me.
Hey now.
Listen to "Elektron" on the new +N disc and tell me that isn't pretty
exactly the same exact track as the remix Uwe did for the "Remembermeremix"
single by PANKOW. Too LB-ish to be a coincidence.
Speaking of, has anyone noticed any other `recycled' tracks?
delcycer. .`--).
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:29:28 +0200
From: Eylon Israeli <snowjob@actcom.co.il>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) Fax contacts
Hi!
I need your help in getting an e-mail contact to FAX. I have in my hands a
disc which might interest them very much by a respected Israeli electronic
composer who asked for my help.
Yr help appreciated!
Snow.
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:54:06 -0500
From: William Perez <will@panix.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Fax contacts
Eylon Israeli <snowjob@actcom.co.il> wrote:
> I need your help in getting an e-mail contact to FAX. I have in my hands
> a disc which might interest them very much by a respected Israeli
> electronic composer who asked for my help.
this is the Atom Heart list.
If you're trying to contact FAX, visit the FAX web site at
http://hyperreal.com/fax/
or email Pete Namlook mailto:fax@ipf.de
thanks
/ / / / / / mailto:will@panix.com
(_/__/ / (__ (__ http://hyperreal.com/~will/
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:58:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Deckard <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) R.I. Numerology, WT?
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Christopher Miller wrote:
> What did you guys think of my hypothesis/rant though?
It was a definitive illustration of R.I. numerology... ;)
Actually, it's quite admirable that you actually figured all that out.
I don't yet have enough R.I. releases to have it figured out myself.
A clear cut case of insufficient datacide.
> Oh and if you put MONO TM on `repeat'... at the end of it where she says
> "one hundred and fifteen", it goes right into what the guy is saying at
> the very beginning of "Welcome To Planet Knowledge". Weird.
Indeed.
As long as we're on the subject of voice samples/sounds, can anyone tell
me what it is that the lady is saying on track 3 of The Whole Traffic? i
think it's called 107 KMH. Her voice adds so much to the song, i think,
and they may very well have sculpted the entire song around this sampled
female voice. If you listen closely, you can hear the synth's melody in
the words she is saying...
onnow: "I'll bet you think you been redeemed..."
(a small, good thing)
no@h
. . . . . . ...
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:53:43 +0200
From: Eylon Israeli <snowjob@actcom.co.il>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Fax contacts
At 12:54 PM 11/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
> Eylon Israeli <snowjob@actcom.co.il> wrote:
>
> > I need your help in getting an e-mail contact to FAX. I have in my
> > hands a disc which might interest them very much by a respected Israeli
> > electronic composer who asked for my help.
>
> this is the Atom Heart list.
I know that! [insert grumpy looking smiley]
Just thought that as RI is namlook affiliated (believe it or not) you guys
might have a clue...
> If you're trying to contact FAX, visit the FAX web site at
>
> http://hyperreal.com/fax/
>
> or email Pete Namlook mailto:fax@ipf.de
...which you obviously do ;) Thanks!
Regards,
Snow.
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:34:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze.
Ok.
What is this release? It's a two-cd set on MILLE PLATEAUX which
features an ATOM HEART track (well, that's what it says on the track-
listing). Anyway I had never heard of it before I saw it in a local
shop... so what's the scoop?
sellig.
.`--).
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:19:50 -0600
From: Mark Coleman <mcoleman@wsnet.com>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: RE: (mother) In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze.
>>>>>
What is this release? It's a two-cd set on MILLE PLATEAUX which
features an ATOM HEART track (well, that's what it says on the track-
listing). Anyway I had never heard of it before I saw it in a local
shop... so what's the scoop?
<<<<<
I have this one. Gilles Deleuze was a French philosopher (or non- or maybe
even anti-philosopher if I understand things correctly, which isn't
guaranteed) who died a year or two ago. I think he offed himself because
he had cancer or some other fatal bother like that. This collection is in
his memory and includes a lot of wonderful tracks by a wide variety of
artists. The liner notes are essays in English, French and German and I
must confess I haven't been compelled to sit down and read them.
Mr Schmidt's contribution is called Abstract Miniatures In Memorium Gilles
Deleuze.
It is minimal, no drumish rhythms, but still an abstract but present rhythm
in the beginning. It soon levels out to a drift type drone. Good track.
I must confess I had to sit down and listen specificaly to this track.
This album flows well enough that I haven't been bothered to know nost of
the tracks titles, even I can pretty much figure out who is doing each
track. Here are some of the artists:
Zoviet France
Atom Heart
Chris & Cosey (which +n CD are they on?)
Steel
Jim O'Rourke
Oval
Mouse on Mars
Scanner
DJ Spooky
Fetsichpark (someone mail me privately about these guys...their track here
is great!!!)
Beequeen
Several more artists that are less familiar to me. This CD is highly
recomended!!
Mark
BTW A snail mail friend of mine in London told me that there was a Gilles
Deleuze memorial show in London where Scanner played and so did AH.
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:31:54 -0800
From: Eric Hill <ehill@best.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze.
> so what's the scoop?
ohh the irony...www.burnmedia.com has a review and I'll just leave it at
that.
eric
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:48:12 -0800 (PST)
From: VSVN ARAB <vsvnarab@3-cities.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze.
> What is this release? It's a two-cd set on MILLE PLATEAUX which
> features an ATOM HEART track (well, that's what it says on the track-
> listing). Anyway I had never heard of it before I saw it in a local
> shop... so what's the scoop?
it's great. one of the best comps i've bought this year. it's definetly
worth picking up. the atom heart track won't give you goosebumps, but
overall the compilation is very top-notch. hey, weren't you around on the
ambient list about 7 or 8 months ago when this thing was being discussed?
pay better attention next time! ;]
VSVN ARAB
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:51:48 -0500
From: rd <rdudley@ulysses.ucns.uga.edu>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) ondas
as i'm sure you guessed, ondas is the shit. quite a return to the old
rather interesting. future lounge...what a nice term. this one is not
to be missed.
rd
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 18:00:48 -0500
From: Roy SeGuine <rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) FAX Collection for Sale (UPDATE)
The JT FAX Collection Auction now contains more than 60 titles for sale.
There are at least a half dozen Atom Heart and related projects here. Also,
Transonic 1 and some classic Reissues have been added to the page:
http:///www.clark.net/pub/fax
---
Roy SeGuine Cyberspace Architect rseguine@clark.net
*many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased* Dan12:4
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:16:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Cc: VSVN ARAB <vsvnarab@3-cities.com>
Subject: (mother) Re: In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze.
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, VSVN ARAB wrote:
> hey, weren't you around on the ambient list about 7 or 8 months ago when
> this thing was being discussed? pay better attention next time! ;]
Yeah, yeah I know... it's just so damned hard to keep up. Speaking
of, how's the AH track on the "Deepnet" compilation?
noitnetta. .`--).
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:24:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) short review - "Flowerhead" by DATACIDE
Yup.
This was on the Ambient list last night:
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Elvia Maree Tarango <elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:00:06 -0800
Subject: (amb) Datacide - "Flowerhead"
Today, I was very lucky to find a used copy of Datacide in San Francisco.
Normally, I just shop in Berkeley, but I felt daring....Well, let me tell
you now, this cd is very, really, truly mind expanding. I love it. The duo
dynamic, Tetsu Inoue and Atom Heart, play off each other with rhythum and
ambiance. The first two tracks tease the hell out of you. You want to
dance, but the beat isn't quite fast enough. Your stuck in you mind,
bending back and forth to the an addicting set of background washes and
suttle, but thumping beats. The remaining tracks are like taking a
seditive. Mild and soothing, like a nice warm bath...and a light thunder
storm over head. Oddly enough, Atom Heart sounds a lot like Bill Laswell.
I say buy it, listen to it, and enjoy it. 5/5 stars...food for the ears.
Fred
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:13:15 -0800
From: Sean Cooper <scooper@best.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) new atom heart
anyone know who is distributing the recent programmings label in the uk?
rtm/disc? will-e? hal? any help would be appreciated...
also, a catalog number for the _shellgrove_ cd would be great...
tia,
sc
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:27:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: Re: (mother) Deepnet comp
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Christopher Miller wrote:
> how's the AH track on the "Deepnet" compilation?
I ordered this a few weeks ago because I was also interested in the tracks
by TAGC, Psychophysicist, CTI, and Octopus. Personally, except for the
Atom Heart and Octopus tracks, I found the comp tremendously dull. I have
a very low tolerance for pads and synth washes. Mostly the material is
pleasant, well-produced, moderately dark, clear and bass-heavy ambience,
smothered by Tangerine Dream-like synths (even TAGC and Psychophysicist).
The Atom Heart and Octopus tracks don't have this feature, which is much
of the reason I like them.
Brian Williams' taste in music has changed in the last few years. Either
that or his idea of what is marketable. In any case, not my cup of warm
milk. If you're favorably inclined toward this kind of thing, I'm
confident you will like the compilation a lot.
The Atom Heart track is called "Timeslice". It begins with deep bass
harmonics (I assume this is what Namlook means by subharmonic chords--
musical territory with great potential, btw). After a time other textures
appear, which remind me of the non-rhythmic channel on part of BASS.
(The Octopus track is an alternate version of "Macrodub" from the CD on
FAX.)
--Mark
__ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> ==> MPEG audio clips <==
M U S I C : W E B : S O U N D D E S I G N : H T M L : C G I : E T C
"The fact their parents have separated doesn't disturb the children.
They go on looking at television. How old should they be before they
smoke marijuana? No one seems to know." (John Cage)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:54:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Cc: Chris Pitman <biggy2@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: (mother) Atom Heart Remixes.
Um.
Can anyone help this guy out? I don't think I know Uwe's fax
number...
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:47:09 +0000
From: biggy2@ix.netcom.com
To: evil@digital.net
Subject: Re: Atom Heart Remixes
Hi, I am trying to reach Atom Heart for possible remixes, correspondence,
$$$, for Los Angeles Record Label, Zoo Entertainment (BMG).
Can you help me?
You can reach me, Chris Pitman (Valisystem A) @ biggy2@ix.netcom.com.
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:42:20 +1100
From: Chris Tourgelis <ctourgel@modem-b-177.mp.usyd.edu.au>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) new atom heart
On Nov 14, 3:13pm, Sean Cooper wrote:
> anyone know who is distributing the recent programmings label in the
> uk? rtm/disc? will-e? hal? any help would be appreciated...
>
> also, a catalog number for the _shellgrove_ cd would be great...
Hi all,
I'm new to the list and a little unfamiliar with Atom Heart's output
outside of Fax, Rather Interesting and Pod. Could anyone tell what the
releases mentioned above are? Off-list is ok if this has already been
covered.
Thanks,
--
Chris Tourgelis
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:29:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Cc: Sean Cooper <scooper@best.com>
Subject: (mother) Re: new atom heart
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Sean Cooper wrote:
> anyone know who is distributing the recent programmings label in the uk?
> rtm/disc? will-e? hal? any help would be appreciated...
Well, I received the latest `New Arrivals' update from Synaptic
Records <synaptic@eazy.net> this afternoon and they have the "Apart"
single...
> Atom Heart,Apart,recent programmings,12, $11.99 ,House,Experimental
...kinda expensive though. Has anyone seen it for cheaper?
esuoh. .`--).
È È -'
christopher miller O.'
evil@digital.net '
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:14:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Hal Vx2 <halvx2@io.org>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) Santiago Will Be The Place.
Hi there,
Just got some interesting news from Uwe that I thought I'd share...
"...On my side, well, i just came back from tokyo yesterday where i
spent one week doing promotion for this cd i produced with tetsu and
haruomi hosono last year. it will be released next month on
hosono's >daisy world< label. everything was quite [exciting] and
well organize. also it looks like japan turns into a good working
field since i got a couple of offers which sound really good (music
for cd-roms, etc...). amazing place. further i spent ten days in
chile right before tokyo and it seems like santiago will be the
place. probably in march next year i will be moving to santiago,
taking my studio there, etc. i am planning to stay for at least one
year, but who knows? of course i will keep you informed about
address changes, etc. until then i will be travelling australia
and new zealand for about two months until february. seems like it
is time for a change. of course >r.i.< as well as my other
activities will still be happening."
I was quite surprised, but well, nothing should surprise me anymore :)
As Chris would say..
noitacol.
Hal.
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:22:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To: Atom Heart list <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Datacide, _Ondas_
I picked up the new Datacide disc Friday. It was at a local shop, and this
is the very first RI CD to reach a retail outlet in Chicago. I'd venture
to guess this happened because of the US release of Flowerhead (which this
store ordered and sold).
As for the disc itself: Good stuff. The "Future Lounge" tag is accurate
but it only describes one aspect. The faux cocktail-lounge sound works
here, because the tongues are firmly and obviously in-cheek, and other
twists and diversions are plentiful. The overall effect reminds me of
something like Faust, or what you might affectionately call "Krautrock".
--Mark
__ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> ==> MPEG audio clips <==
M U S I C : W E B : S O U N D D E S I G N : H T M L : C G I : E T C
"The fact their parents have separated doesn't disturb the children.
They go on looking at television. How old should they be before they
smoke marijuana? No one seems to know." (John Cage)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:32:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: (mother) Re: Santiago Will Be The Place.
On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Hal Vx2 (transcribed what Uwe Schmidt) wrote:
> i spent ten days in chile right before tokyo and it seems like
> santiago will be the place. probably in march next year i will be
> moving to santiago, taking my studio there, etc. i am planning to
> stay for at least one year, but who knows?
Ah... wonderful. Maybe now there's a possibilty of Uwe turning his
interest northward. U.S. shows and collaborations (besides Tetsu of
course)? If not, it'll be easier (yeah right) for me to travel down there
than overseas. One can only hope.
ogaitnas.
.`--).
È È -'
christopher miller O.'
evil@digital.net '
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:21:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Re: In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze.
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Mark Coleman noted:
> A snail mail friend of mine in London told me that there was a Gilles
> Deleuze memorial show in London where Scanner played and so did AH.
I got an e-mail from Robin Rimbaud (aka Scanner) and this is what he
had to say about the show:
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:05:10 +0100
From: Robin Rimbaud <robinr@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze.
There have a series of concerts with Sub Rosa called The Live Sessions
which were based on the concepts of Folds and Rhizones, these travelling
nomadic bodies working together on the layering of alternative sounds
across the globe in different spaces. Two CDs have been released so far.
They are not 'memorial' shows though. Atom Heart has not played at one
although he played at the Soundworks Exchange event in London which I
attended - maybe they are simply getting their wires crossed a little.
Hope this is a suitable explanation.
over and out
rr.scanner
C o m m u n i c a t i o n
******************************************
R o b i n R i m b a u d - s c a n n e r
h t t p : / / w w w . o b s o l e t e . c o m / s c a n n e r /
s c a n n e r P O B O X 6 1 2 7
L o n d o n S W 1 1 4 X L
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rennacs.
.`--).
È È -'
christopher miller O.'
evil@digital.net '
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:40:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) review - Jet Chamber 2
And.
This was on the Ambient list Tuesday afternoon:
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: "Eddie O'Hanlon" <eddie@autodealing.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:39:22 -0000
Subject: (amb) Review: Jet Chamber 2
Title: Jet Chamber 2
Artist: Pete Namlook/Atom Heart
Label: FAX +49-69/450464
Cat.No.: PK 08/115
Track List:
1. Inner Rotation 18.30
2. Calm Box 17.20
3. Outer Rotation 26.56
If you like Jet Chamber, Transonic (for it's spacey beats), BASS (for it's
funky beats and weird sounds), Silver Sound 60 (for the same reason as
BASS), then you'll like this one.
The first track starts off with complex techno Aphex Twin type rhythms.
The introduction of analgoue tweaks and whistles remind you that this is
once again Jet Chamber. Lush spacey synth follows, with analogue giggery
pokery - all very well done. This track is no joke. Rather, it's a
complex rhythmic "let's kick ass in space" type opening. Very nice track
with nice beats. Atom Heart is prevalent, and in a seriously innovative
mode (nice bass lines too). Namlook complements and completes very well,
giving the whole track somewhere to go melodically. The second track
completely winds things down, and is indeed the pit stop of the album.
However, while Calm Box is in deep space, there isn't an overwhelming
feeling of complete abstraction (like the last ten minutes of Split Wide on
Jet Chamber - which I love!!!). Rather, there is a soft drone with subtle
effects (spinning, whirring and tingling sounds tickling the ears at
various points). Little minimal synth melodies from Namlook (remeniscent
of 2350 Broadway 3's more soundtrack moments - minus all the Tetsu
effects). Strange but nice! The final track starts off calmly, with a
slow free-floating feel. This is quickly dissolved into a funky setup of
weird Atom Heart beats in the mode of Silver Sound 60 or BASS. The beats
slowly evolve and condense later into a harder, more techno rhythm.
Eventually the beats slide into the backround while spacey analgoue hums
and drones take over - Namlook is back. Bringing the whole album to a
complete circle, Namlook delicately moves the dark sounds, and the listener
for that matter, to deeper reaches of space. this is like Chaos Impuls /
Jet Chamber or the first few quiet minutes of Give Space a Trance / Air 3.
With more lush synth the track climaxes (ironically) in it's most beatless
orchestral mode, building beautifully. Then the whirring bassy beat
returns to join the final burst, before everything fades into oblivion.
This album (while not quite as chilled as the original) definitely does
justice to the project. It has great ambient moments, and funky twists.
Get this one - it's a deep-space ride worth taking! (and after 30 rides,
it's still addictive :-))
Out of Ten: 8.5
eddY
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:08:40 -0800 (PST)
From: mquinn@cerf.net
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: RE: (mother) In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze.
someone wrote, a while ago:
> Chris & Cosey (which +n CD are they on?)
chris & cosey appear on one (7.5 min) song on the ex.s cd,
released on the geometrik label
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:48:33 -0600
From: Mark Coleman <mcoleman@wsnet.com>
To: "'mother@nicar.org'" <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Re: In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze.
I knew it was something where Mr. Schmidt played with Mr. Rimbaud.
Thanx for straightening it out Chris.
Mark
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 00:38:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) lead - "Atom Age" by Coeur Atomique
Hi.
This was on the Ambient list yesterday evening:
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Laps <laps@monkey.org>
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:11:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: (amb) FT: Coeur Atomique
Hi all.
I've got a copy of Atom Heart's "Coeur Atomique" on FAX vinyl that I'm
thinking about trading. I don't have the record in front of me, but I
believe it's PS 08/24. If you're interested, drop me a note and I'll send
you my wantlist.
Thanks.
Warren
- --
Warren Lapham (ceremony-owner@monkey.org)
laps@monkey.org (laps@umich.edu)
---------- End ----------
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:10:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Deckard <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: Mother <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Need Help!
I need help finding RI#28 "Masters of Psychedelic Ambience"
Does anyone know of anyone who sells it?
I'm looking to buy or trade...
Any info is welcome...
Thanks in advance...!
no@h
. . . . . . ...
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 20:06:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Cc: Kristina Clair <kclair@sas.upenn.edu>
Subject: (mother) Sounds like "Render"?
On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 Kristina Clair asked (on the Ambient list):
> Does anyone have any recommendations of bands similar to lassigue
> benthaus? (dont' tell me atom heart because I have heard them.)
You know, I have absolutely no idea. Maybe someone here on mother has
a recommendation [the particular album in question is "Render"]?
redner.
.`--).
È È -'
christopher miller O.'
evil@digital.net '
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:01:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) lead - "Render"
Wow.
EAR/Rational is selling "Render" by LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS for a measley
$6.50. E-mail EAR/Rational Music <ear@xmission.com>, with the word
`CUTOUTS' in the subject header (and nothing in the body of the message)
for more information.
dael.
.`--).
o o ._)
christopher miller ==;'
evil@digital.net =='
'
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:19:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Hal Vx2 <halvx2@io.org>
To: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
Cc: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>,
Kristina Clair <kclair@sas.upenn.edu>
Subject: Re: (mother) Sounds like "Render"?
On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 Kristina Clair wrote:
> Does anyone have any recommendations of bands similar to lassigue
> benthaus? (dont' tell me atom heart because I have heard them.)
Try the latest albums by...
THD
Haujobb
Clock DVA
They are not the entirely the same style, but can go together nicely.
Hal.
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:08:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS LIST <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: (mother) Suggested Retail Price.
Yeah.
I just though of a new alias and album title for herr Schmidt. How
about:
"$13.99" by SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE
In all seriousness though, don't ever pay more than fourteen bucks
(US) for an R.I. release (unless of course it's out of print, and you can't
find it anywhere else). There are plenty of places around the internet
that offer them for that much, and/or usually less.
Also considering this, I would suggest not paying more than nine bucks
(US) for used R.I. cds. It just kills me seeing all of these FS lists
posted all of the time with *used* copies of things like MACHINE PAISLEY
for $12.
How is it that R.I. cds can remain so inexpensive by the way?
ir.
.`--).
o o ._)
christopher miller ==;'
evil@digital.net =='
'
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:57:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Turner <mturner@netcom.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Suggested Retail Price.
Chris Miller sez:
> Also considering this, I would suggest not paying more than nine
> bucks (US) for used R.I. cds. It just kills me seeing all of these FS
> lists posted all of the time with *used* copies of things like MACHINE
> PAISLEY for $12.
>
> How is it that R.I. cds can remain so inexpensive by the way?
Cut-throat pricing by internet mail-order companies. RI and FAX releases
all cost the same from the distributor: $11 plus postage. The small
difference between that cost and the retail price is all the profit the
retailer earns. In business terms I believe you would call this a "loss
leader." The retailer either takes a loss or makes little profit on one
item, in order to establish a business relationship, or perhaps hoping that
when you buy this cheaper item, you'll also purchase other items with a
higher profit margin. So in the long run, both the buyer and the seller
benefit.
As someone who has recently advertised used RI CDs for $12, let me also
address that issue. The main difference I see between RI (and FAX) and
other CDs that retail in the $14-15 range is the lack of promo copies
available. An astute shopper can usually find a promo copy of virtually
any domestic CD for $6-10 in the used CD shops. This is not true with RI
and FAX. Therefore, the relative scarcity of used and/or promo copies
makes them worth more than a typical used/promo CD. I guess I should add
that the RI releases I have sold for $12 are like new, and they are still
cheaper than any retail price I know of. Of course, if nobody bought them
for $12, I would probably lower the price. :-)
--
Mark Turner
mturner@netcom.com
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:05:27 -0500
From: William Perez <will@panix.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Suggested Retail Price.
christopher miller <evil@digital.net> wrote:
> How is it that R.I. cds can remain so inexpensive by the way?
since FAX handles the business side of RI, it has the same arrangement for
distribution in America. The CDs go right from where they are manufactured
to Charles who is the distributor for the USA and other non-Euro parts of
the world. From there, he can sell them directly to the stores.
Major distributors like Watts need to first have them imported from other
distributors in Europe which costs them extra not to mention that they want
to make a profit themselves causing a double markup wham bam price slam.
make sense?
/ / / / / / mailto:will@panix.com
(_/__/ / (__ (__ http://hyperreal.com/~will/
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:09:24 -0700 (MST)
From: Eric Frans <franse@engr.arizona.edu>
To: Atom Heart <mother@nicar.org>
Subject: Re: (mother) Suggested Retail Price.
On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Christopher Miller wrote:
} In all seriousness though, don't ever pay more than fourteen bucks
} (US) for an R.I. release (unless of course it's out of print, and you
} can't find it anywhere else). There are plenty of places around the
} internet that offer them for that much, and/or usually less.
}
} Also considering this, I would suggest not paying more than nine
} bucks (US) for used R.I. cds. It just kills me seeing all of these FS
} lists posted all of the time with *used* copies of things like MACHINE
} PAISLEY for $12.
I completely agree with you on that. It's a shame people feel they need
to feed on the ignorance of others. Welcome to capitalism. 8|
At least here in the states, there is FAX U.S.A., which as I understand is
the reason the prices on Rather Interesting releases are so low. I'm
fairly sure all the distributors here go through them.
______________E_r_i_c___F_r_a_n_s______________
[mail]----------------->franse@engr.arizona.edu
[web]->http://intermix.engr.arizona.edu/~franse
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:15:22 -0800
From: charles uzzell-edwards <faxlabel@sirius.com>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Need Help!
I have heard that Pinnacle Distribution in England has stock of this ...
just a lead.
> I need help finding RI#28 "Masters of Psychedelic Ambience"
> Does anyone know of anyone who sells it?
> I'm looking to buy or trade...
> Any info is welcome...
> Thanks in advance...!
respects c . u . e .
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m i l l v a l l e y .
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:31:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Deckard <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: mother@nicar.org
Subject: Re: (mother) Need Help!
On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, charles uzzell-edwards wrote:
> I have heard that Pinnacle Distribution in England has stock of this ...
> just a lead.
Thanks Charles. I think i found a copy, but i'll do some price
comparing now... ;)
no@h
(still wondering just *how* much 2 gigabytes of JouJou really is)
. . . . . . ...