Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:12:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) lead - Lisa Carbon
Happy!
This guy's got the following AH/related item for sale from his current
`fs' list:
Grant Horne <ghhorne@delta.is.tcu.edu>
> [$14][lisa carbon trio][polyester][rephlex]
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:28:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "B. Yost" <byost@megsinet.net>
To: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: (atom) Another atomsecond
So I jump in the shower just as the last track on "Shellglove" begins.
There are speakers near the bathroom door. In a few moments I become quite
concerned over the sound the water pipes seem to be making. I've never
heard them do this before, I desperately attempt to adjust the water
pressure to make it go away before something drastic and devastating
happens. Suddenly I realize it was only the music...
Enjoying new (to me) RI for the holidays: +N Built, Dandy Jack and the
Plastic Woman, and Schnittstelle (thanks to my sister, Deb, RI/Atom virgin
that she is).
-- Brad
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 15:45:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
Cc: recipient list not shown: ;
Subject: (atom) Does Anyone Have These Atom Heart Singles?
Heya.
I'm currently working on the Atom Heart discography and was wondering
if anyone has any of the following singles/eps on vinyl(?):
DANCE : SLOT (1991)
GODDAMN DRUMMACHINE : WEIRD SHIT (1991)
TRACK 23 : ATOMU' SHINZO (1992)
POR QUE? : ATOMU' SHINZO (1992)
FREE E.P. : BI-FACE (1992)
137 : BI-FACE (1992)
PERCUSSION OVERDOSE : i (1992)
HEALTHY : SUBSEQUENCE (DEC.1992)
SECRETARY : SYNTHADELIC (JAN.1993)
IT'S A DIRTY JOB : SYNTHADELIC (APR.1993)
POD COMMUNICATIONS PRESENTS: ATOM HEART - EP (1993)
ATOMU GOT IT : ATOMU' SHINZO (1993)
COOL MEMORIES : ATOMU' SHINZO (1993)
FRAUD : URBAN PRIMITIVISM (1993)
BAUD : ATOM HEART (1993)
GLOBESCANNER : ATOM HEART (1993)
PURE FUNCTION : ATOM HEART (1993)
LARGER THAN LIFE : ATOM HEART (1993)
ELECTRONIQUE : PINK ELLN & ATOM HEART (1993)
LIVE : ATOM HEART & PINK ELLN (1996)
MILAGRO : ATOM HEART (1994)
APART : ATOM HEART (SEP.1996)
I'm basically just looking for discographical info off of each of the
above releases (ie: tracklistings, call-numbers, labels, packaging info,
etc). Please e-mail me directly if you can help out. Thanks. ;)
ffo.
.`-).
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p.s. If you want to sell any of these... I am looking for copies in good
shape, no scratches on the records or writing on their packaging.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:09:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "B. Yost" <byost@megsinet.net>
To: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: (atom) LB availability
I've heard most of the RI titles, but almost nothing by Lassigue. In part
this is because I never see anything under that name in the stores when I'm
out and about (of course, where a used CD store would choose to file LB
stuff is another variable). Are the major full-length releases all out of
print, and if so, what is the relative availability? I would think the
title(s) that Restless licensed for U.S. distribution would be out there in
sufficient numbers to keep a second-hand supply going for a few years at
least. Anyone know the status of this?
-- Brad
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:00:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) lead - Jet Chamber I, Jet Chamber II, Softcore
Howya.
Saw these on an EAR/Rational Music <ear@xmission.com> clearance sale
list:
> New (sealed)
>
> Jet Chamber $15
> Softcore $14
>
> Used stuff
>
> Jet Chamber II $15
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:53:37 -0600 (CST)
From: phlux@ix.netcom.com
To: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (atom) LB availability
Matter and Cloned are both put out by Metropolis in the US and are pretty
easy to locate.
Rob
Codec! http://www.mindstorm.com/codec
LogiQ http://www.sinless.com/logiq
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:45:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Noah <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: Mother <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Real dandy...
Does anyone know for sure if RI051 will be the 3rd Dandy Jack
album?
no@h
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:42:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Warren Lapham <laps@datacide.org>
To: mother@hyperreal.org
Cc: S2 <qwerty@datacide.org>
Subject: (atom) datacide.org
hi.
i've spun off the rather interesting section of 2350.org into its own site,
datacide.org. it's at http://www.datacide.org/
hope you all enjoy it.
thanks.
-w.
--
Warren Lapham
laps@datacide.org
Rather Interesting reviews
http://www.datacide.org/
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:29:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To: Noah <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
Cc: Mother <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (atom) Real dandy...
On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Noah wrote:
> Does anyone know for sure if RI051 will be the 3rd Dandy Jack album?
Unless he changed his mind, RI is reserved for Atom Heart only -- no
collaborations or other artists anymore.
--Mark
__ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14
> Distributed by Dutch East India Trading, Com Four, and Carrot Top <
< http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > < MP3 & RealAudio tracks >
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:04:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Re: LB availability
On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Brad Yost asked:
> I would think the title(s) that Restless licensed for U.S. distribution
> would be out there in sufficient numbers to keep a second-hand supply
> going for a few years at least. Anyone know the status of this?
Well like you said, they were around for a few years at least. I
stopped seeing cut-out copies of _Render_ in shops probably around sometime
early last year. After all, it did come out in 1994... Restless went under
just a little later than that. Checking sale lists on rec.music.industrial
would be your best bet probably.
tneiciffus.
.`-).
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christopher miller o o'
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:22:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: "ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3)"
<mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) lead - Mental Blox
Tik.
After spending months trying to locate myself a copy of the _Machine_
12" by Mental Blox, I have finally found a source. This record, for those
of you who don't know, features one of the more recent remixes from Atom
Heart. Mental Blox is electro, and Uwe really adds a *lot* to his remix of
the title track. Very nice.
Anyway, you can get this record directly from Matt Haines (who is
Mental Blox) of the U.S.-based Spinyl Records record label. There are only
a few copies left apparently, so here's the scoop:
Spinyl Records <spinyl@earthlink.net>
> There might be a few still sitting in record stores, as it was a constant
> seller for quite some time. But if not, they can order directly from
> Spinyl (my label). Price is $6.99 plus $1.50 shipping, plus California
> sales tax if applicable. I've got about ten left, and don't plan to
> repress. They can send a check or money order to:
>
> Spinyl Records
> 63 Calle de Industrias #476
> San Clemente, CA 92672
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:10:37 -0500
From: Lance C McGannon <mclance@nacs.net>
To: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: (atom) AH collaboration news...
SORRY, THAT LAST ONE CUT OFF THE END
OF THE MESSAGE. HERE IT IS IN IT'S ENTIRITY.
I dont know if this has been mentioned before but
Atom Heart is about to release a collaborative
project with Burnt Freidman (aka Drome/Non-
place Urban Field/Some More Crime) called
Flanger. Ntone/Ninja Tune are slated to release
a Flanger 12" called Templates that may be by
more Flanger releases in the future. Supposed
the tracks on the Templates 12" came out of a
recording session in chile heart/freidman did back
in 1997. the ep was recently described at a blend
of clicking electronics combined witha bitches
brew stew of fender freakouts, and smooth left
field funk. sounds like one to look fwd to this feb!
-->-Lance---
p.o. box 450715
westlake, ohio 44145
united states
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:34:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: "ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3)"
<mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) lead - Datacide
Cough.
This guy's got the following AH/related vinyl up for sale:
Thad Biggerstaff <rbigger590@aol.com>
> Datacide: Head Dance/Meditation Bank 12" (on Fax) $11
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:34:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Compilations.
Ugh.
Atom Heart and the manymany other aliases Uwe Schmidt appears under is
featured on an awful lot of compilations. I have the information on a
small amount of them, but need help with the remainder. Below is a list of
compilations of which I still need to fill in some blanks. If you have any
of these (or know someone who does), please get in touch with me:
BATTERY PARK ... cd
THE BEST OF TRANCE VOL. 4 ... cd (Low Price)
BOOMING ON PLUTO: ELECTRO FOR DROIDS ... 2xcd (Virgin)
CHILL OUT OR DIE! ... lp (Rising High)
DELIRIUM PRESENTS AFTER 6 A.M. VOL. 1 ... 2xlp (Plastic Head/After 6 AM)
DELIRIUM PRESENTS AFTER 6 A.M. VOL. 2 ... cd (Delirium/After 6 AM)
DELIRIUM 301 ... promo cd (Time Tunnel)
DELIRIUM 301 ... cd (Time Tunnel)
DEUTSCHER FUNK ... cd (Caipririnha Productions)
EIGHTRACKSAID ... cd (Hypnotism)
ELECTRONIC FRANKFURT ... 2xcd (Pod)
ELECTRONIC GENERATORS ... cd
ELECTRONIC SPECIES ... cd
49/69 GLAMOUR ... 12" (Higlamm Phonographics)
FRANKFURT vs. LONDON ... 12" (Rising High)
IN THERE ... cd (T&B)
KEEP IT ACID 1 ... 12" (Axodya Records)
KEEP IT ACID 2 ... 12" (Axodya Records)
THE LAST ECCENTRICS ... cd (Sculptured Sounds)
NOISE ... cd (Jumpin' & Pumpin')
OUTER SPACE COMMUNICATIONS V.01-T1 ... cd (Disturbance/Minus Habens)
OUTER SPACE COMMUNICATIONS V.02 ... cd (Disturbance)
POD e.p. ... 12" (Pod)
POD e.p. ... 12" (Rising High/Pod)
RISING HIGH TECHNO INJECTION ... 4xlp (Rising High)
RISING HIGH TECHNO INJECTION ... 2xcd (Rising High)
RISING HIGH TECHNO INJECTION ... 2xcd (Instinct/Rising High)
THE SECRET LIFE OF TRANCE ... lp (Rising High)
SLoT 3 ... cd/lp (SLoT)
SYNTHETIC PLEASURES VOL. 2 ... cd
UMM IN PROGRESS CODE 1 ... 2xlp (Underground Music Movement)
WAKIN' UP A DEAD PLANET - HARDNOIZE CROSS EUROPE ... cd (Monotone)
THE WORLD IS DELIRIUM VOL. 1 ... 2xlp (Delirium)
THE WORLD IS DELIRIUM VOL. 2 ... cd (ZYX/Delirium)
THE WORLD IS DELIRIUM VOL. 3 ... cd (ZYX/Delirium)
THE WORLD OF DELIRIUM PART 1 ... promo cd (Delirium)
I'll let you know what specific info I would need, but basically I am
looking for:
1.) Call-Number
2.) Country Of Manufacturing Origin
3.) Year/Date Of Release
4.) Track Number(s)
5.) Track Time(s)
6.) Packaging Description (sleeve stickers, unique packaging, etc)
Oh yeah... this is for the Atom Heart discography. All contributors
will of course be credited, not to mention greatly appreciated. Thanks in
advance. ;)
snoitalipmoc.
.`-).
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christopher miller o o'
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:36:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Warren Lapham <laps@datacide.org>
To: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: (atom) Re: LB availability
On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Christopher Miller wrote:
> stopped seeing cut-out copies of _Render_ in shops probably around
> sometime early last year.
(shameless plug for a site my employer is developing):
www.harmonyhouse.com currently lists _Render_ for sale for $15.99 (US).
search for "Lassigue Bendthaus."
(i'm not sure if this is relevant to the original post...I missed it.
sorry.)
-w.
--
Warren Lapham
laps@datacide.org
Rather Interesting reviews
http://www.datacide.org/
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:59:27 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <tarjason@pilot.msu.edu>
To: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: (atom) AHeart at Atonal
From another list:
> We Berliners will enjoy a pretty nice festival as well this weekend.
> The Atonal.
>
> Artists include:
>
> Atom Heart
> Wunder
> Pole
> Oscar Sala
> Air Liquide
> Kerosene
> Einstuerzende Neubauten
---
Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar
W. W. J. D?
(What would Jason Do?)
http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason
ICQ@13792120
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:15:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Del Haze Entertainment News January 1999.
:: :::::::
::
:::::::::::::::
:: :: ::
:::::. :::::::
*news january 1999*
***********************************
*music*
- 16th of january atom heart live at *atonal festival* in berlin.
- release of *lb* single *jealous guy* 15th of january.
- release of *lb* *pop artificielle* delayed to the 1st of march.
- in connection to the *mtv-online* project the cologne based art
collective *almost sync* created a so-called *iclip* for *jealous guy*
which can be checked out at *www.kunst.de/almostsync/*.
- programmings for the next rather interesting release entitled *:)*. to be
released in late january.
- senor coconut will perform as *digital jockey* the 26th of january on
lisa carbon's birthday party in santiago de chile at *teatro
shakespeare*. burned friedmann aka *nonplace urban field* will join the
party amongst various other artists and musicians.
*design*
- linger decoree design for *:)*
*communication*
- macos members: 285
- macos (musicians against copyrighting of samples) internet
address: http://www.icomm.ca/macos
- macos mailing list: macos-list@resrocket.com
- macos e-mail address: macos@icomm.ca
- atom heart website:
http://www.hyperreal.org/music/artists/atom_heart/
- rather interesting website:
http://www.hyperreal.org/music/labels/rather_interesting/
- atom heart booking: contact del haze entertainment directly
- rather interesting distribution and mailorder:
europe:
emc distribution service
tel: +49-6039/45406
fax: +49-6039/931566
e-mail: thier@wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de
u.s.a./pacific rim/asia:
fax label u.s.a.
tel/fax: +1-415/383 7990
faxlabel@sirius.com
http://www.faxlabel.com/distribution.html
australia/new zealand:
urban buffalo creative,
tel: 9557 8122
fax: 9557 8133
e-mail: andre@urban-buffalo.com.au
http://www.faxlabel.com
***********************************
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: ::
:: del haze entertainment ::
:: pedro lira 1473 a ::
:: providencia ::
:: santiago ::
:: ::
:: tel: ++56-2-2042728 ::
:: fax: ++56-2-3419870 ::
:: e-mail: delhaze@bbs.itn.cl ::
:: ::
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:46:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Noah <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: Mother <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) almost sync thingy
> - in connection to the *mtv-online* project the cologne based art
> collective *almost sync* created a so-called *iclip* for *jealous guy*
> which can be checked out at *www.kunst.de/almostsync/*.
is there anything there in the directory?
looks empty to me, other then a text file.
:/
> - release of *lb* single *jealous guy* 15th of january.
Sorry if i missed the answer to this one, but is the music on
the single also on the album?
Don't make me buy the vinyl!
no-uh
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:31:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Noah <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: Mother <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Atom Heart "live" in RealAudio
The only thing we have to do is figure out when exactly his
set starts and then tape it!
Anyone anyone??
no-uh
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Newsgroups:
bln.kultur, alt.radio.pirate, alt.music.industrial, de.alt.hoerfunk,
alt.music.dance, rec.music.ambient, alt.music.dance
The last Atonal festival happened in 1990, during the 80ies it
covered experimental electronic music and defined a certain 'berlin
sound'. This year it will be interesting to hear how this sound
changed over the last 10 years - listen in!
Do., 14. Januar 99 - 22.00 h - Ocean Club Nacht
Gudrun Gut (Berlin)
Thomas Fehlmann (Berlin)
Sun Electric (Berlin)
Wunder (Koeln)
PLAY NOW
http://orang.orang.org/perl/RIS/ris-simstream?user=atonal
Fr., 15. Januar 99 - arena 20.00 h - Electricity Hamburg
Granular Synthesis (Wien)
DJ Craze (Miami)
The Scratch Perverts (London)
Barry Schwartz (Oklahoma)
Corvin [Dalek] (Budapest)
Frieder Butzmann (Berlin)
Naut Humon (San Francisco)
Techno Animal (London)
PLAY NOW
http://orang.orang.org/perl/RIS/ris-simstream?user=atonal
Fr., 15. Januar 99 - Glashaus 23.00 h - # re - mix #
Relais
Groenland Orchester
Jetzmann
Felix Kubin
Asmus Tietchens
Die Patinnen
DJ Harre
PLAY NOW
http://orang.orang.org/perl/RIS/ris-simstream?user=atonal
Sa., 16. Januar 99 - arena 20.00 h - Ende Neu
Einstrzende Neubauten (Berlin)
Alboth! (Schweiz)
Bob Ruthmann's Styropor Orchestra (Berlin)
PLAY NOW
http://orang.orang.org/perl/RIS/ris-simstream?user=atonal
Sa., 16. Januar 99 - Glashaus 23.00 h - Electro D
Kerosene (Frankfurt)
Air Liquide (Koeln / Berlin)
Atom Heart (Santiago de Chile)
Ohm Square (Prag)
DJs Pacou & Hendrix ( Tresor Berlin)
PLAY NOW
http://orang.orang.org/perl/RIS/ris-simstream?user=atonal
So., 17. Januar 99 - Glashaus 21.00 h - Gesprchskonzert mit Trautonium
Oskar Sala (Berlin)
Pole (Berlin)
PLAY NOW
http://orang.orang.org/perl/RIS/ris-simstream?user=atonal
Mo., 18. Januar 99 - Roter Salon 20.00 h
R-tmark Corporatecultureterrorists
PLAY NOW
http://orang.orang.org/perl/RIS/ris-simstream?user=atonal
more info:
http://www.atonal.de
livestreams provided by radio internationale stadt
http://orang.orang.org
time is GMT + 1
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:34:26 -0000
From: Orn Asbjornsson <orn@bodeind.is>
To: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (atom) Atom Heart "live" in RealAudio
Was he dj-ing or was it a live performance? I'm checking out the real audio
from sat 17. jan trying to find his spot, could it be his set began after
Herbie's Rockit (about 2hrs20min of the 3hrs30min)? Not sure but it sounds
less mainstream techno/houseish than the stuff before it did. Still it is
impossible to tell.
Orn
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:13:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Noah <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: Orn Asbjornsson <orn@bodeind.is>
Cc: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (atom) Atom Heart "live" in RealAudio
Just checked it again. My guess is that it's the first thing
you hear after clicking for RealAudio at
orang.orang.org/perl/RIS/ris-display?id=916582644
no@h
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:27:58 -0600
From: Larry Terrell <LTerrell@yourcall.com>
To: "'idm@hyperreal.org'" <idm@hyperreal.org>
Cc: "'mother@hyperreal.org'" <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) small FS list
Unless otherwise noted, format is CD. Amount quoted is USD. Price listed
does NOT include postage. Please add 2$ s&h (if within continental US)
Black Dog P - Music For Adverts(warp) 15.00
Lisa Carbon Trio - Stereococktail (pod) 15.00
Bitnicks - Halograms(hypnotic) 15.00
+N - Plane (fax) 15.00
Second Nature(fax) 15.00
Cymatic Scan(fax) 15.00
Jet Chamber 2(fax) 15.00
Atom(fax) 15.00
Electro Harmonix(fax) 15.00
please respond offlist.
manythanks.
If you've any questions about the titles, please refer to www.2350.org or
www.hyperreal.org
Lt
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:44:51 -0800
From: "~(({[Endemic~Distortion]}))~" <jpklein@flash.net>
To: Uwe and Friends <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Hats off to Hat
Thought I'd bounce this over here for y'all to have a go...remember that
replying to this list will not properly target your remarks.
jeff
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:42:27 -0000
From: Paddy Grove <grove@cpd.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: (idm) Hats off to Hat
Grooving away here to HAT (Atom Heart/ Haruomi Hosono / Tetsu Inoue), I'm
wondering if any of these artists has recorded anything similar. Do I
remember something about a Hat2?
I tend to think of this as mainly Atom Heart, but I've been less impressed
with his other projects that I have (admittedly few) - VSVN, Senor Coconut,
Second Nature. Can anyone recommend anything as funky and beepy as HAT?
Paddy
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:15:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Noah <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: Mother <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Atom Heart live set
Well, i'm listening to this right now at
"orang.orang.org/perl/RIS/ris-raplayer?url=
pnm://orang.orang.org//RIS-DATA/916582644/atonal-990116-2.rm"
and it's pretty impressive. Clever percussion, some floaty
chords, the superclap (of course), wave tweekage...
But is that 8 minute chunk all we get??
Anyone else have any luck while exploring that crazy orang
webpage? Or perhaps thoughts on how the live set sits in
relation to his releases?
no@h
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:57:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Noah <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: Mother <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Almost Digital...
Anyone looking for Almost Digital on the elusive Hypnotism label
should email PJ "s://kimo" <skimomusic@home.com>
He's got 'em...
no@h
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:32:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) lead - Bitniks
Howdy.
This guy's got the Bitniks cd for sale in his current list:
Ashok Divakaran <adivakaran@aol.com>
> THE BITNIKS "holograms" atom heart side project (i think) on hypnotism
> $12
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:43:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) lead- Atom Heart, +N, Second Nature
Doody.
This guy's got the following AH/related discs for sale in his current
list:
David Applegate <lotus@connectnet.com>
http://home.connectnet.com/lotus/index.html
> atom heart-live at sel i/s/c (fax ps 08/41) ger cd $20
> +n-ex.s (atom heart, vic.sol, chris + cosey)(geometrik 04)spanishcd $20
> second nature-s/t (fax ps 08/78) ger cd $10 (br)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:56:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) lead - Atomu' Shinzo, Mike McCoy, Sieg Uber Die Sonne
Doo.
Same guy as the previous post... has the following AH/related vinyl
for sale/trade:
David Applegate <lotus@connectnet.com>
http://home.connectnet.com/lotus/index.html
> atom heart(atomu shinzu)-metabol/cool memories ger 12" $T
> atom heart (mike mccoy)/drax(heckman)-acid ramcash 4/acid pin-ups 2
> (orange vinyl) ger 12" $T
> atom heart(sieg uber die sonne)-adoro remixes(atom heart,sun electric &
> dr. motte remixes) ger 12" $T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:01:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) lead - Jet Chamber, Dropshadow Disease, Paranoid,
Real Intelligence III
Dee.
Checking through Playing By Ear's latest update, and here are the
AH/related items they're carrying:
David Hodgson <pbe@Rt66.com>
> $20 JET CHAMBER PK 08/102 - Pete Namlook & Atom Heart
> $14 DROPSHADOW DISEASE RI 049 - recent Atom Heart solo
> $14 REAL INTELLIGENCE III - new Atom Heart comp on <RI> w/ 2 unreleased
> trax
> $15 PARANOID - Victor Sol ...limitation 500
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:25:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) lead - Dandy Jack, +N, Daisy World Tour, 1 Year - Dance
Hello.
This person's got the following RI release for sale:
sanvara@home.com
> Dandy Jack and the Cosmic Trousers CD Rather Interesting (Sealed) $15
> +N Build CD Rather Interesting (Sealed) $15
And these two compilations which feature AH/related tracks:
> Daisy World Tour CD Daisyworld (Japanese-only compilation) $14
> (Tetsu Inoue / Jonah Sharp, Paul Schutze, Atom Heart, HAT, Pacific 231)
>
> One Year Dance CD Fax $9
> (Pete Namlook and collaborators)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:21:44 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <tarjason@pilot.msu.edu>
To: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: (atom) Harddisk Rock.
The nice folks at MDos put up a RA file of this bonus track from Real
Intelligence III on their website. Fun. www.mdos.at
---
Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar
W. W. J. D?
(What would Jason Do?)
http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason
ICQ@13792120
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:38:59 -0600
From: "Mr. Tangent" <tangent@mntvernon.net>
To: Atom Heart Mailing List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Online ordering
Hello - I am getting ready to make a huge order of various Daisyworld/FAX/
Rather Interesting releases. I'm finally going to fully immerse myself in
the digitally radiant world of Uwe Schmidt (after merely basking in the
binary sun for awhile). I've been a huge fan of Lassigue Bendthaus for
quite some time and a sideline fan of Atom Heart's side projects (and a
fairly longtime lurker here) - anyway, I've got a few really good online
stores (Playing by Ear, Ear/Rational, Forced Exposure, FAX USA, Malignant,
IsoTank, etc.) but I'm having a problem tracking down some of the earlier
RI releases (Dots, VSVN, Flextone) - anyone have any ideas where I should
look? I'm also looking for good IDM type releases, so if you know of a
good record store that carries that type of stuff, I'd appreciate the
links. Lastly, I think I finally found a Daisyworld distributor (thanks
Sean C.!) that, while they don't have them in stock, can get them within
two weeks. Anyone know a U.S. carrier that has releases such as "DSP
Holiday" - by HAT - in stock (and cheap)? Any information would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks!
Mr. Tangent
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:41:10 -0600
From: "Mr. Tangent" <tangent@mntvernon.net>
To: Atom Heart Mailing List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Lassigue Bendthaus - "Jealous Guy"
Just got an email from Isolation Tank - they're getting this single (on cd,
they say, but can get vinyl if requested) next week. It will sell for
$9.99 (plus shipping). Just thought you people should know. The album
(Pop Artificielle) is scheduled for a March/April release, so they say.
Mr. Tangent
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:05:28 -0600
From: byost <byost@megsinet.net>
To: whitezone-l@lists.sonic.net, mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: (atom) FT/S: Silver Sound 60
RI 031 Silver Sound 60 on compact disc. One of the first 10 RI releases,
now out of print. Would love to trade this for a copy of VSVN, Flextone,
or Masters of Psychedelic Ambience. Don't be shy!
If no one steps forward with a trade, it's for sale.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:42:08 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <tarjason@pilot.msu.edu>
To: whitezone-l@lists.sonic.net
Cc: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: (atom) FT/S: Dots
RI 024 Dots on compact disc. One of the first 2 RI releases, now out of
print. Would love to trade this for a copy of Painkiller _Rituals_, or
UNKLE "Barry Meditation" & "Time Has Come". Don't be shy!
If no one steps forward with a trade, it's for sale.
BTW--byost, please remember that mimicry is a high form of respect. ;)
---
Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar
W. W. J. D?
(What would Jason Do?)
http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason
ICQ@13792120
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:46:44 -0600
From: "Mr. Tangent" <tangent@mntvernon.net>
To: Atom Heart Mailing List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Various
Thanks so much to the people who recommended online sites to me - it was
much appreciated. One more question: has anyone had any dealings with
Other Music (www.othermusic.com)? They have a lot of cool releases, but
sound too good to be true. Let me know what the verdict is. Thanks!
Mr. Tangent
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:20:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Noah <njurcin@orion.it.luc.edu>
To: Mother <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Superficial Spotted
This guy JEFF_FLYNN@HP-Corvallis-om3.om.hp.com
has a copy of Superficial Depth for only 8$.
His webpage is www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Park/4633/cdsale.html
no@h
. . . . . . ..... . . . . . .
"+|n|fn| elb@n|@++@ eh+ f0 l0bmy5 @ 5@ n0|r"
. . . . . . ..... . . . . . .
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:32:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: Music That Sounds Like Stoves Talking To Refrigerators Mailing-List
<idm@hyperreal.org>
Cc: Paddy Grove <grove@cpd.ntc.nokia.com>,
ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Re: Hats off to Hat
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Paddy Groooooove asked:
> Grooving away here to HAT (Atom Heart/ Haruomi Hosono / Tetsu Inoue), I'm
> wondering if any of these artists has recorded anything similar. Do I
> remember something about a Hat2?
Yeah, _DSP-Holiday_ came out last June as a Japanese-only release on
Daisy World.
> I tend to think of this as mainly Atom Heart, but I've been less
> impressed with his other projects that I have (admittedly few) - VSVN,
> Senor Coconut, Second Nature. Can anyone recommend anything as funky and
> beepy as HAT?
Hm... sounds like you'd probably dig the more recent Rather
Interesting releases. _Naturalist_ and _Dropshadow Disease_. They've got
more robot chirping blipping clicking weirdness than HAT, but also the same
amount of cheese. I don't like the new HAT that much though. Happy happy
Hawaiian/Polynesian yuck yuck. Ugly picture sleeve too. Buy it now.
Wow, so you didn't like the Senor Coconut?
Um well, as funky and beepy... have you tried any Lisa Carbon? Harry
Hosono's stuff on Daisy World? Keep an eye out for the _Pop Artificielle_
album by Lassigue Bendthaus on Kk in March. The _Jealous Guy_ single from
it comes out on February 8th. Oh, and _:)_ is this month's RI release...
not out yet though.
When's Flanger again? This is the one I'm looking forward to. Uwe
Schmidt and Bernard Friedman. Single on Ntone in February.
enotn.
.`-).
| ;
christopher miller o o'
evil@digital.net =
'
on: _The Engineers Love_
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:40:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) The Engineers Love.
lo.
I'm finally listening to this thing. Man, it's far better than I
expected. Barely any tracks with vocals which surprised me. The original
version of "Inured" is soooooo good! Damn. Does anyone have a j-card
picture sleeve from the original cassette they can scan?
ol.
.`-).
| ;
christopher miller o o'
evil@digital.net =
'
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:01:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net>
To: ATOM HEART/LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS MAILING-LIST (#3) <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Pop Artificielle.
hi.
I'm kind of dreading hearing _Pop Artificielle_. The whole `pop'
thing has just been turning me off lately. Is it just me? I didn't like
the vocal tracks on the past several releases. I dug the machines singing,
but not the phrase repetition thing Uwe's been doing.
Could someone give their impression of "Jealous Guy", "Superbad",
"Angie", or any of the other new LB songs that are floating around right
now? I'd like to hear a take on the full-length from someone who's got one
of the Form & Function (promo-only?) pressings that's been out for almost
two months now.
I saw _Render_ and _Render: Audible U.S. Remixes_ to be the high point
of Lassigue Bendthaus. So smooth. Essential. I never got into _Cloned_,
and only cared for about half the songs on _Matter_. I gotta tell ya
though... I'm really digging _The Engineers Love_. Music from eleven years
ago is so tinny it's great! Maybe it's just the tape hiss.
I'm wondering what the new one's going to do for me? Over-produced
superslick vocals over ultratight programmings? All edited down to three
minutes thirty-three seconds for optimal radio playtime? Pop songs for
goodness sake... ug. Will it make me throw up and feel embarrassed, or
will I be so impressed that I end up ranting and raving about it for the
duration of the year? Will I hear the singles in clubs? Oh wait, I hate
clubs...
bl.
.`-).
| ;
christopher miller o o'
evil@digital.net =
'
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:55:51 -0600
From: "Mr. Tangent" <tangent@mntvernon.net>
To: Atom Heart Mailing List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (atom) Re: Hats off to Hat
At 01:32 AM 1/30/99 -0500, Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net> wrote:
> Hm... sounds like you'd probably dig the more recent Rather
> Interesting releases. _Naturalist_ and _Dropshadow Disease_. They've
> got more robot chirping blipping clicking weirdness than HAT, but also
> the same amount of cheese. I don't like the new HAT that much though.
> Happy happy Hawaiian/Polynesian yuck yuck. Ugly picture sleeve too. Buy
> it now.
I thought HAT was the cat's meow - but I guess it's just me (and the eighty
billion people of earth, where are they hiding?)
> Um well, as funky and beepy... have you tried any Lisa Carbon?
> Harry Hosono's stuff on Daisy World? Keep an eye out for the _Pop
> Artificielle_ album by Lassigue Bendthaus on Kk in March. The _Jealous
> Guy_ single from it comes out on February 8th. Oh, and _:)_ is this
> month's RI release... not out yet though.
I've been meaning to check out Harry Hosono's (YMO) stuff - any
recommendations on particular albums? I want ultra-futuristic neo-pop
stuff like the HAT project. How does Yellow Magic Orchestra (him and
Ryuichi Sakamoto) compare? Speaking of Sakamoto - I have the recent Ninja
Tune singles that were remixed ("Anger/Grief", etc.), what should I look
out for by him? I'm not as interested in his pure score soundtracks as I
am in futuristic pop stuff - with heavy techno-ambience.
And when is this _:)_ scheduled to be out? What is going to sound like?
And, what is the album title?
> When's Flanger again? This is the one I'm looking forward to. Uwe
> Schmidt and Bernard Friedman. Single on Ntone in February.
This Flanger project sounds awesome. Speaking of Bernard Friedman, I have
a Nonplace Urban Field cd coming to my house as we speak - but what does
his Drome project sound like?
A single on Ntone (ninja tune sublabel) is out in February: what is called
and when shall we see a full length by Flanger?
Mr. Tangent (forgotten, but not gone)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:23:21 -0600
From: "Mr. Tangent" <tangent@mntvernon.net>
To: Atom Heart Mailing List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (atom) Pop Artificielle.
At 02:01 AM 1/30/99 -0500, Christopher Miller <evil@digital.net> wrote:
> I'm kind of dreading hearing _Pop Artificielle_. The whole `pop'
> thing has just been turning me off lately. Is it just me? I didn't like
> the vocal tracks on the past several releases. I dug the machines
> singing, but not the phrase repetition thing Uwe's been doing.
I'm just finally catching up on all the recent Rather Interesting stuff.
I've dug L.B. for a few years but not until recently did I have the
motivation and the cash to track down most of it so I'm not a full fledged
Uwe expert yet, but what I have heard is just beyond amazing. I cannot
wait to hear "Pop Artificielle". As much as I'm into glitch-experimental
stuff now (Mego, Skam, Plug Research, etc.) I still love the neo-pop,
electro-futurism of projects like Lassigue Bendthaus, HAT and many of Uwe's
projects. His programming skills quite literally blow me away.
> Could someone give their impression of "Jealous Guy", "Superbad",
> "Angie", or any of the other new LB songs that are floating around right
> now? I'd like to hear a take on the full-length from someone who's got
> one of the Form & Function (promo-only?) pressings that's been out for
> almost two months now.
I have my copy of the new single coming next week. Isolation Tank and
Digital Underground are tentatively getting their copies next monday - I
pre-ordered mine. So, when I get it I'll let the list know what I thought.
> I saw _Render_ and _Render: Audible U.S. Remixes_ to be the high
> point of Lassigue Bendthaus. So smooth. Essential. I never got into
> _Cloned_, and only cared for about half the songs on _Matter_.
Yeah, I agree with your comments on "Render" - it's probably either my
favorite cd of all time or very close to being such. And I have nearly
1000 cds so this is no easy feat. I also thought "Cloned" was fucking
amazing; what was so amazing about it was that I didn't listen to it until
'98 or so, 6 years after it had come out and it STILL sounded better than
99% of the electro-industrial that was coming out now! And I suddenly
realized where haujobb had gotten a lot of their aesthetic from.
Regardless, "Render" is a better overall album - conceptually, lyrically
and sonically - but "Cloned" is nearly as great. Especially given the
Baudrillard/dna/replication theme going on within.
> I'm wondering what the new one's going to do for me? Over-produced
> superslick vocals over ultratight programmings? All edited down to three
> minutes thirty-three seconds for optimal radio playtime? Pop songs for
> goodness sake... ug. Will it make me throw up and feel embarrassed, or
> will I be so impressed that I end up ranting and raving about it for the
> duration of the year? Will I hear the singles in clubs? Oh wait, I hate
> clubs...
I doubt clubs will give it much play - he hasn't seen a huge reaction yet,
I doubt he'll get any soon. We can only hope he'll get some support.
Largely though Fax/Rather Interesting releases seem to be a cult following
type thing. Which I support because if all the damned industrial fans knew
about - or cared for - Atom Heart's projects we'd have so much more
competition finding all these albums! :P
Why are you so against pop? You, my friend, need to go out and listen to
old David Bowie ("Scary Monsters", "Low", "Heroes", etc.) and see the
beauty of mutated pop music. I see Atom Heart as being a modern David
Bowie in some respects - which is fitting since he's covering one of my all
time favorite Bowie tunes "Ashes to Ashes" on the new album! I personally
love the neo-pop theme that Uwe appropriated on his recent releases.
I think he's challenging the pre-conceived framework that is placed on
artists who make techno-experimental-idm-ambient music. It's expected of,
as an "experimental" musician, that he make atonal or music that isn't
readily listenable but I think the greatest experimental music is that
which is both bizarre in nature and dually radio friendly. That's why I'm
so bored with the pure noise acts such as Merzbow/Masonna and so forth -
they've proven that they're not going to progress. They're only followed
because of some sort of sonic sado-masochism the listener has. Pure Noise
is too obvious - not enough subtlety. The "I listen to stuff that would
make you cry" mentality among *most* of their fans is so seclusionary and
reactionary. I think that the Merzbow recording method could be duplicated
by anyone: Overdrive your amp, apply some flange, distortion, reverb and
record - instant Merzbow album!
Ever wonder why he has so many releases? Because it's easy to make.
Regardless, I think that artists that actually rely on programming and
*gasp* melody are infinitely more applaudable (real word?) due to the fact
that they actually have to spend a great deal of time weaving melodies,
programming synthesizers and concocting vocal tracks. But going back to a
tangent - it is in my mind far more subtle and subversive to release a
radio song that has deep intellectual questions and is pop, but with a
decidedly experimental vibe. This is far more dangerous and challenging,
in my viewpoint, than the typical noise band releasing their 300 only vinyl
album to the converted listeners.
Disclaimer: I do like quite a few experimental bands so don't rip on me
for being negative - it's just the Merzbow school of "music" is extremely
trite and boring to me.
So, in short, I can't wait for "Pop Artificielle" - in all it's sugar
coated glory!
Mr. Tangent (yeah, I ramble, so what?) :P
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:42:10 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <tarjason@pilot.msu.edu>
To: mother@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (atom) Re: Hats off to Hat
> > And when is this _:)_ scheduled to be out? What is going to sound
> > like? And, what is the album title?
Well I'm assuming the album title is ... :) . Silly fun!
As for the new HAT, if you're not so fond of it Chris, you can just mail me
your copy. I've yet to find it for myself. ;)
---
Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar
W. W. J. D?
(What would Jason Do?)
http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason
ICQ@13792120
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:53:29 -0800
From: William <wmh@direct.ca>
To: Whitezone <whitezone-l@lists.sonic.net>,
Mother List <mother@hyperreal.org>, IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org>,
Ambient list <ambient@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) fs/trade:datacide/N.U.F./wagonchrist...
as the above says,i have the above cds and a few more
including:clatterbox,scanner,vidna obmana,dmx krew,stereolab...
Please reply for a list(include your trade list if you'd like).
thanks,
william m harris
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:31:10 -0800
From: VSVN ARAB <vsvnarab@3-cities.com>
To: Atom Heart Mailing List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (atom) Pop Artificielle.
At 11:23 AM 1/29/99 -0600, you wrote:
> That's why I'm so bored with the pure noise acts such as Merzbow/Masonna
> and so forth - they've proven that they're not going to progress.
Hmm, I dunno about this... they may progress over very slow periods of time
or they may even regress from time to time but as an example of very
obvious progression, pick up Merzbow's new Aqua Necromancer album. If you
can find me another Merzbow album that sounds like that, then maybe I'll
agree with you.
Now, on the other hand, I do understand your point and I basically agree
with you concerning some noise artists, but I don't know if the above
examples are valid.
> They're only followed because of some sort of sonic sado-masochism the
> listener has.
Er, okay! I dunno about that one either... Admittedly I'm not the biggest
Merzbow fan and I don't own a ton of his albums be he does come up with
some really great stuff from time to time... And I like certain noises and
noise when it's put together in some kind of interesting way so I don't see
it as sado-masochism if the sounds please me and entertain me! it's not all
bad and it's not all good...
> Pure Noise is too obvious - not enough subtlety.
Hrm, so you don't think Merzbow's Music for Bondage Performance is subtle?
It may be all noise but it's pretty subtle... And what's wrong with being
obvious? Sometimes it's fun to be obvious! Why hide behind subtlety all of
the time?
> The "I listen to stuff that would make you cry" mentality among *most* of
> their fans is so seclusionary and reactionary.
well that's just plain silliness on their part, but don't judge music based
on the fans...
> I think that the Merzbow recording method could be duplicated by anyone:
> Overdrive your amp, apply some flange, distortion, reverb and record -
> instant Merzbow album!
Umm, see above examples of Merzbow albums... this stereotype of Merzbow is
just that... a stereotype... he has many different kinds of albums and
styles... some good, some bad, some boring or whatever but I think it's
wrong to totally disregard everything he has done... heck, i'm a big fan of
atom heart but I don't even come close to liking everything by atom
heart...
> Ever wonder why he has so many releases? Because it's easy to make.
Uh oh... Now you could just as well apply that to any artist that you don't
care for that releases a lot of product... like, er, a person could say
that about Atom Heart! or Muslimgauze! or Pete Namlook!
> Regardless, I think that artists that actually rely on programming and
> *gasp* melody are infinitely more applaudable (real word?) due to the
> fact that they actually have to spend a great deal of time weaving
> melodies, programming synthesizers and concocting vocal tracks.
Why is the amount of time you had to spend on something make it any more
"applaudable" or whatever? If an artist can make something that appeals to
people and make it in a very short period of time them shouldn't that be
even more applaudable?
The question isn't melody or no melody or time spent or no time spent or
obvious or not obvious or subtle or not subtle... the question is whether
or not someone somewhere likes the way something sounds...
> But going back to a tangent - it is in my mind far more subtle and
> subversive to release a radio song that has deep intellectual questions
> and is pop, but with a decidedly experimental vibe.
but is subtle inherently good? why be subtle when you can just come out and
say what you want to say? i don't see how different approaches can't be
good for different times. there is a time to be subtle and there is a time
to be crazy and obnoxious :)
Deep intellectual questions and a radio pop song, hrm... i have a feeling
your deep intellectual questions are going to be missed by a lot of people
when they play it on the radio so it's not going to be very subverise
anyway... especially after the radio pop song just becomes another thing
that you can buy down at the mall... and what is a deep intellectual
question anyway? :)
> This is far more dangerous and challenging,
Dangerous, pshaw... challenging, pshaw... dangerous and challenging are
extremely relative words for different situations and times..
> in my viewpoint, than the typical noise band releasing their 300 only
> vinyl album to the converted listeners.
But why are you assuming that a noise band inherently wants to be
dangerous? Maybe they just want to have some fun and make funny sounds that
entertain and tickle people's ears...
> Disclaimer: I do like quite a few experimental bands so don't rip on me
> for being negative - it's just the Merzbow school of "music" is extremely
> trite and boring to me.
Like I said, I understand where you're coming from, it's just that I think
you should be more careful in your stereotypes and generalizations. I find
that a lot of people who totally rip on Merzbow really aren't that familiar
with a lot of his work so they have this stereotype of thise one kind of
thing he does that really isn't that accurate... He has done a LOT of
different kinds of sounds in noise and experimented with a LOT of ways of
creating sounds and really has a wide variety of different kinds of noise
he has done...
> Mr. Tangent (yeah, I ramble, so what?) :P
And I like to argue, but you already knew that much :)
... Rob
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:53:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To: VSVN ARAB <vsvnarab@3-cities.com>
Cc: Atom Heart Mailing List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (atom) Pop Artificielle.
> [...] I find that a lot of people who totally rip on Merzbow really
> aren't that familiar with a lot of his work so they have this
> stereotype of thise one kind of thing he does that really isn't that
> accurate... He has done a LOT of different kinds of sounds in noise
> and experimented with a LOT of ways of creating sounds and really has
> a wide variety of different kinds of noise he has done...
Furthermore, once you listen and understand where the variations are, where
the developments are happening, it would cease to sound like formless
noise. It also helps to playback through a system that adds as little
-additional- distortion as possible.
Check out _1930_ (on Tzadik which released Tetsu Inoue's _Psycho-Acoustic_)
or _Music For Bondage Performance 2_ for excellent and very different
examples of his work in the last few years.
A lot of the RI/FAX releases have a deceptive complexity. Many were
executed live, others compiled from segments recorded live -- ranging to
the slow-paced, deliberate programming on the more recent RI (even if it
doesn't always work).
I am not very good at commanding my machines in real time, nor have I tried
to put together a rig with that in mind. A few times I have set things up
where I'd collect sounds and beats so I could trigger, mix, mute, apply
effects, etc. to put together a track in real-time. If that is what you
aim to do, you can create a whole lot of material in a short amount of
time. And when you practice this more, you can put together more and
better material with less effort. Atom Heart puts a high value on
efficient production methods. I get more enjoyment, more reward, and
better results tweaking stuff over a period of days or even weeks, and
throwing away stuff that doesn't work for whatever reason, or that I just
don't want to commit to tape. One approach isn't better or worse, except
for what is appropriate for an artist and best to express his or her
individual voice.
In some ways I see the early RI & POD material as almost a flip side to the
same coin as Merzbow or Aube: executed quickly, relatively unfiltered by
the artist's self-censoring mechanisms. So it is left for you to judge,
and I can say with some assurance he does not care what anyone thinks.
When the artist doesn't filter, and when he finishes any idea he starts,
you're going to end up with some crap. The stuff I like is good enough,
and different enough from everything else out there, that it is worth
sifting through the rest.
--Mark
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:30:10 -0600
From: "Mr. Tangent" <tangent@mntvernon.net>
To: Atom Heart Mailing List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Noise Artificielle
In response to VSVN AROB (couldn't resist) and Mark,
I detract my statements about Merzbow - I was simply using Merzbow,
wrongly, as a scapegoat for all that I think is wrong with most noise
music. I do appreciate some noise - sculpted noise. And I was jumping the
gun and stereotyping - as Rob pointed out. I need to listen to more of
Merzbow's material but sadly what I've heard thus far hasn't done anything
for me. And I agree with many of Mark and Rob's points that subtlety isn't
always necessary nor is it preferred. Anyway, I was listening to some of
the Release Your Mind 2 material today and was getting agitated by some of
the noise stuff on it (but the ambient disk owns me). Sure there are some
great noise artists but for the most part a great deal of it to me seems a
way for a person to make "music" - easily - and claim they're a musician.
When in reality very little thought or direct artistic expression was given
to what they created. As Rob pointed out - you have to wade through all
the junk to find the gems. Regardless, I do like some noise acts but I
prefer the dark ambient and IDM side of things - with the occasional
industrial act (which I'm getting increasingly bored of, as Rob did so long
ago). Anyway, my apologies for gunning Merzbow and like-minded acts down.
I was only using them as an antithesis to the pop format which Chris was
complaining about. Again, there is good and bad about every genre - I'm
just a little more critical where noise is concerned. :)
Mr. Tangent
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 99 16:39:40 -0500
From: nhetrick <nhetrick@idsonline.com>
To: "Mr. Tangent" <tangent@mntvernon.net>,
Atom Heart Mailing List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (atom) Pop Artificielle.
RE: Merzbow stuff (with which I'm not at all familiar, and probably not
much interested)
> Ever wonder why he has so many releases? Because it's easy to make.
Just saw this line and had to interject, "but look at Uwe -- he's the most
prolific artist I know about, and most of his releases are pretty
amazing...."
Neil Hetrick
nhetrick@idsonline.com
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 99 16:39:36 -0500
From: nhetrick <nhetrick@idsonline.com>
To: "Mr. Tangent" <tangent@mntvernon.net>,
Atom Heart List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (atom) Re: Hats off to Hat
> I thought HAT was the cat's meow - but I guess it's just me (and the
> eighty billion people of earth, where are they hiding?)
Actually, it's 70 billion. ;-) What movie is this from, do you know?
Ever since I got _Plasticity_ and heard that track ("Soulenoid", on the
1993 Cabaret Voltaire album, for those of you scratching your heads), I've
been wanting to see that movie. Sounds cool....
Neil Hetrick
nhetrick@idsonline.com
p.s. - btw, I was really bowled over by that first track on DSP Holiday,
"Arizona Analyzer." The kitschy guitar bits are funny in an almost
Orbular kinda way (a friend of mine commented that this track
should've been done by the Orb instead of A. Heart...). Great disc,
IMO -- and very impressive on the cut-up editing side (and fun,
unlike Inoue's _Pschoacoustic_).
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:01:14 -0800 (PST)
From: "B. Yost" <byost@megsinet.net>
To: Atom Heart List <mother@hyperreal.org>
Subject: (atom) Re: Hats off to Hat
Wasn't it also sampled on a very early CV album too? 2x45 or Mix-Up?
There may be more details of the sample on the earlier recording.
Obligatory Uwe content: I'm not the sort to gush over babies and kids, but
that image sent to the list of the toddler with the Burger King HAT and
Intel shirt was awfully cute.
- bwy